Who runs a Pectel T6 and could check something for me?
10-09-2007, 10:07 AM
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Who runs a Pectel T6 and could check something for me?
As title, need someone to test a couple of voltages on the loom with the ECU switched on. Cossie YB application.
Need to know what voltages should be seen at these three sensors:
1. Crank
2. Phase (using dizzy phase, not cam)
3. TPS
(also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2)
Let me know if you can help?
Thanks,
Need to know what voltages should be seen at these three sensors:
1. Crank
2. Phase (using dizzy phase, not cam)
3. TPS
(also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2)
Let me know if you can help?
Thanks,
10-09-2007, 10:51 AM
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Can have a look at lunch pal....
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
10-09-2007, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Can have a look at lunch pal....
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
When I say which side of the AMP connector I mean the standard 2 PIN plug that goes onto the phase and crank sensors.
ie....if your looking at the connector face on with the locator lug at the top.....which is the signal wire and which is ground.
Cant get a spark is my problem. Whats odd is that unplugging the phase, crank or TPS shows no errors in deskpro. (The TPS appears to be working fine and showing the degree changes on throttle). The MAP/ACT/ETS all show errors as soon as they are unplugged.
I dont think the ECU is seeing those sensors at all. Cant get a trace from them either.
Does that make sense?
Cheers,
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10-09-2007, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
pm Prometheus he will help you mate 
10-09-2007, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
That should be correct pal...but i'll check
They are from the back with the rubber boot off IIRC...
10-09-2007, 01:43 PM
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Updated the drawing showing the crank sensor...cant test the volatges as the battery if flat on the car and one of the lads has nabbed my jump pack.....
Have you got the correct T6 crank sensor bracket on the engine?
10-09-2007, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Updated the drawing showing the crank sensor...cant test the volatges as the battery if flat on the car and one of the lads has nabbed my jump pack.....
Have you got the correct T6 crank sensor bracket on the engine?
I am using the standard crank sensor and bracket, but it all lines up fine to the pulley. Would that be an issue? I can imagine for running but I should get a spark? I am using the dizzy with 2nd lug ground off instead of a cam sensor.
I had the pulley made (standard 2wd one with 36-1 wheel machined in place of the old 4 triggers. Sensor gapped to 18 thou.
I think my issue is wiring or ecu settings as I am getting 4.5 volts at one plug but not the other (cant remember which way round though!)
I am sure the ECU is not seeing the sensors correctly which is whats causing the problem. Odd that it does not show as an error though.
10-09-2007, 02:29 PM
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The pulley arrangement sounds fine pal. The 909 setup calls for a different bracket on the crank sensor but if you have done it bespoke and gapped correctly, cant see any problem their.
Never had a car with T6 the standard phase sensor and i'd guess thats your problem, I have a feeling the wiring is inverted for the standard phase sensor, seem to remember we bought a loom off Sean B, he was running phase sensor and we had to extend the wires and invert the signal...
Never had a car with T6 the standard phase sensor and i'd guess thats your problem, I have a feeling the wiring is inverted for the standard phase sensor, seem to remember we bought a loom off Sean B, he was running phase sensor and we had to extend the wires and invert the signal...
10-09-2007, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitsy FQ
the signal from the phase sensor will have to be inverted if the t6 was off a car running the cam sensor
Inverted in the ECU setup or just switch around on plug?
Assume the crank stays "as is"
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Originally Posted by polly_x
Cheers Jay, Gareth has been a real help over the last couple of weeks already trying to get this sorted.
Always seems happy to help.
Always seems happy to help.
I thought the same, lovely bloke, really helpful.... then he will offer to 'tweak your map' or something and make his move on you....
Once he knows there is no chance of any cock action he becomes about as useful as an Astray on a motorbike
If I were you I'd keep teasing him until your car is 100% finished
10-09-2007, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
it wasnt the rejection why i stopped making moves on you lee,, it was when i realised i did like fat blokes
in my ass!!!!
10-09-2007, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by polly_x
Originally Posted by Mitsy FQ
the signal from the phase sensor will have to be inverted if the t6 was off a car running the cam sensor
Inverted in the ECU setup or just switch around on plug?
Assume the crank stays "as is"
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by polly_x
Cheers Jay, Gareth has been a real help over the last couple of weeks already trying to get this sorted.
Always seems happy to help.
Always seems happy to help.
I thought the same, lovely bloke, really helpful.... then he will offer to 'tweak your map' or something and make his move on you....
Once he knows there is no chance of any cock action he becomes about as useful as an Astray on a motorbike
If I were you I'd keep teasing him until your car is 100% finished
I am so gullible.....................
I thought when he said he would check my profile it was to help with my ECU problem........he just wanted to see how fat I was.
10-09-2007, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by polly_x
Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Can have a look at lunch pal....
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
When I say which side of the AMP connector I mean the standard 2 PIN plug that goes onto the phase and crank sensors.
ie....if your looking at the connector face on with the locator lug at the top.....which is the signal wire and which is ground.
Cant get a spark is my problem. Whats odd is that unplugging the phase, crank or TPS shows no errors in deskpro. (The TPS appears to be working fine and showing the degree changes on throttle). The MAP/ACT/ETS all show errors as soon as they are unplugged.
I dont think the ECU is seeing those sensors at all. Cant get a trace from them either.
Does that make sense?
Cheers,
10-09-2007, 07:29 PM
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Still no spark here...........
AND I MEAN IT, NOT JUST LEADING GARETH UP THE GARDEN PATH
I have a crank signal no probs. Seeing that in Deskpro
No phase though....tested the sensor and its fine.......
AND I MEAN IT, NOT JUST LEADING GARETH UP THE GARDEN PATH
I have a crank signal no probs. Seeing that in Deskpro
No phase though....tested the sensor and its fine.......
10-09-2007, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
Originally Posted by polly_x
Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Can have a look at lunch pal....
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
" (also which side of the AMP connector, Pin 1 or 2) "
Dont understand what your after their pal..
From memory they are all 5V ref
When I say which side of the AMP connector I mean the standard 2 PIN plug that goes onto the phase and crank sensors.
ie....if your looking at the connector face on with the locator lug at the top.....which is the signal wire and which is ground.
Cant get a spark is my problem. Whats odd is that unplugging the phase, crank or TPS shows no errors in deskpro. (The TPS appears to be working fine and showing the degree changes on throttle). The MAP/ACT/ETS all show errors as soon as they are unplugged.
I dont think the ECU is seeing those sensors at all. Cant get a trace from them either.
Does that make sense?
Cheers,
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Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor
Have you configured the sensor for inductive type
10-09-2007, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by polly_x
Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor
Have you configured the sensor for inductive type
The sensor delivers 2 pulses per engine cycle.
pulse, 180 degrees, pulse, 540 degrees... repeat
10-09-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor
Originally Posted by polly_x
Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor
Have you configured the sensor for inductive type
The sensor delivers 2 pulses per engine cycle.
pulse, 180 degrees, pulse, 540 degrees... repeat
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polly_x,
Are you using a file to get you started or have you created a new one yourself ?
Perhaps Gareth could lend you his for comparison...
Dont forget, you will have 8 crank pulses for every 1 phase pulse for
a full 720 degree engine cycle.
Are you using a file to get you started or have you created a new one yourself ?
Perhaps Gareth could lend you his for comparison...
Dont forget, you will have 8 crank pulses for every 1 phase pulse for
a full 720 degree engine cycle.
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Updated the drawing showing the crank sensor...cant test the volatges as the battery if flat on the car and one of the lads has nabbed my jump pack.....
Have you got the correct T6 crank sensor bracket on the engine?
Your diagram shows all sensor grounds to PIN 40 whereas the pectel shows crank and cam to pin 46 with the comms ground???
Any idea if that makes any difference? When I was testing I found they all buzzed through together once the ecu is connected anyway? 46, 40 and all the engine grounds.
This is killin me now!
Might ask Gareth to come up and give me some company......its lonely in the garage here.......