MSD's ALS feature in Fast Ford
03-08-2007, 12:46 PM
#281
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by ballin
What a read!
Essentially, I agree with Mike's original point that time delay between pressing the accelerator and receiving boost is called turbo lag is technically incorrect.
In one instance that paragraph is correct (when the turbo is within the boost threshold) and in another it is incorrect (when turbo is out of the boost threshold).
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to slate Stu (in such a manor as Mike did) over a simple lack of correct phrasing, I also wouldnt be shooting Mike down in flames either!!
Turbo lag, much like "wastegate chatter" is a common misunderstanding, both of which clearly frustrate Mike immensely!! Had Stu have added just 4 or so words he would have avoided creating yet anohter batch of lag 'confusoids'.
Anyway, I think it all got a bit out of hand and I dont think anything Mike said was intentionally malicious (everyone comes across slightly more confrontational online) and also it is clear Stu has not written anything that is incorrect, rather, he has written something that could be interpretted incorrectly! As Stu said, that is not his problem, but at the same time I can see quite clearly that it would have been good for Stu just to mention the boost threshold as it would stop Mike from having to correct the swarms of anti-lag'ers that will no doubt be expecting 20psi from 800rpm on there T3s
Thats how I've seen the whole thing anyway
Essentially, I agree with Mike's original point that time delay between pressing the accelerator and receiving boost is called turbo lag is technically incorrect.
In one instance that paragraph is correct (when the turbo is within the boost threshold) and in another it is incorrect (when turbo is out of the boost threshold).
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to slate Stu (in such a manor as Mike did) over a simple lack of correct phrasing, I also wouldnt be shooting Mike down in flames either!!
Turbo lag, much like "wastegate chatter" is a common misunderstanding, both of which clearly frustrate Mike immensely!! Had Stu have added just 4 or so words he would have avoided creating yet anohter batch of lag 'confusoids'.
Anyway, I think it all got a bit out of hand and I dont think anything Mike said was intentionally malicious (everyone comes across slightly more confrontational online) and also it is clear Stu has not written anything that is incorrect, rather, he has written something that could be interpretted incorrectly! As Stu said, that is not his problem, but at the same time I can see quite clearly that it would have been good for Stu just to mention the boost threshold as it would stop Mike from having to correct the swarms of anti-lag'ers that will no doubt be expecting 20psi from 800rpm on there T3s
Thats how I've seen the whole thing anyway
Thanks for the moral support - MUCH appreciated, as I was getting a right battering from all the "haters", er, I mean the Chip & Tony tag team
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03-08-2007, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by T S M
snp was a little harsh but even you have to agree with some of his points mike or shall we discuss it for 8 pages roflol
1. But this seems to be the major problem in the way you've come at this.
2. Even when its been explained numerous times your wrong,
3. your arrogant enough to shrug off the facts and come across as a smug cunt because of this.
4. You won't accept your wrong,
5. as you don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand it, and from your own reasoning this means you can't accept it.
03-08-2007, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by T S M
at least he didn't call mike a cnt lol
unlike Mike who chose to call people a cnt
deffo more that 1
unlike Mike who chose to call people a cnt
deffo more that 1
He implied Mike was a smug cunt
03-08-2007, 01:05 PM
#285
Originally Posted by Redkop
Originally Posted by T S M
at least he didn't call mike a cnt lol
unlike Mike who chose to call people a cnt
deffo more that 1
unlike Mike who chose to call people a cnt
deffo more that 1
He implied Mike was a smug cunt
As both Lynne AND Chip have pointed out (your interpretation of air injector post), your observational capabilities seem severely lacking, so might I suggest you re-reading the entire thread and then you will note that it started on lag / boost threshold terminology and then moved on to ALS affecting boost threshold. However, I see that you prefer your own version of things, so perhaps just stick to these rather than the facts - I'm sure it will make you feel better in your VERY old age
.In the words of Forest Gump - Cunt is as cunt does
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03-08-2007, 01:10 PM
#287
Originally Posted by SNP
Originally Posted by Redkop
He implied Mike was a smug cunt
- Glad to have been of service . The difference is that Chip, Stu and even that old fucker Tony and myself all know each other very well, so the arguements / banter are a foregone conclusion . You on the other hand should get out more .
03-08-2007, 01:13 PM
#288
Lunch was fabulous.... A bloody great chicken filled baton. 
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
03-08-2007, 01:26 PM
#293
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Fuck - that hole just got 10ft deeper 
- thanks for pointing that out NOW 
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- thanks for pointing that out NOW .
Stu, you know how it is mate.
You make an idiot proof product review.
Along comes a better idiot
03-08-2007, 01:31 PM
#294
So now we have established that we really DO love each other - when can we see the full-on technical rendition of ALS / LC 
? I promise not to make an arse of myself again - actually, scrap that - I can't make promises I have no way of keeping .
- when can we see the full-on technical rendition of ALS / LC ? I promise not to make an arse of myself again - actually, scrap that - I can't make promises I have no way of keeping .
03-08-2007, 01:37 PM
#295
Its a good suggestion, but may well be a little too close to the feature the mag has allready run to complement the product launch. 
Anyway, the last thing you need is an ALS feature as you seem to know all about it anyway. My input would be to tell you the best form of anti lag is to throw the turbochargers in the bin and fit a nice big V8.
Anyway, the last thing you need is an ALS feature as you seem to know all about it anyway. My input would be to tell you the best form of anti lag is to throw the turbochargers in the bin and fit a nice big V8.
03-08-2007, 01:41 PM
#297
i think stu can save himself the hassle of writing another 5000 word bit of stuff for the next issue and just cut and paste this thread into the mag
i do admit that this has ben an intresting topic to read about and the various angles people look at the whole matter of how to keep boost and the turbo spinning and the whole package that is available in regards to anti lag from the various suppliers and tuners who market the products
what i would like to know though is how much do you need to release to the public before you start to dish out secrets that you don't want other people to learn in this field?
obviously some people will be a bit co in regards to telling the rest of the world exactly how it's done because once its out there, i'll be every tom dick and harry building it with a soldering iron and a bag of bits from maplins
so how do you let people know what you are doing without giving the trade secrets away as to how you've achived it?
i do admit that this has ben an intresting topic to read about and the various angles people look at the whole matter of how to keep boost and the turbo spinning and the whole package that is available in regards to anti lag from the various suppliers and tuners who market the products
what i would like to know though is how much do you need to release to the public before you start to dish out secrets that you don't want other people to learn in this field?
obviously some people will be a bit co in regards to telling the rest of the world exactly how it's done because once its out there, i'll be every tom dick and harry building it with a soldering iron and a bag of bits from maplins
so how do you let people know what you are doing without giving the trade secrets away as to how you've achived it?
03-08-2007, 01:43 PM
#298
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Lunch was fabulous.... A bloody great chicken filled baton.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
03-08-2007, 01:45 PM
#299
Originally Posted by T S M
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Lunch was fabulous.... A bloody great chicken filled baton.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
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03-08-2007, 01:46 PM
#300
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by T S M
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Lunch was fabulous.... A bloody great chicken filled baton.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
Please everyone dont forget my main simple point..
It was NOT a technical article, it was a PRODUCT FEATURE.
Maybe i should do a technical article on ALS. That would make interesting writing i suppose.
.I think he actually said "over"
03-08-2007, 01:48 PM
#301
I stand by what I said lynn Mike called people a cnt, snp called mike a smug cnt .I have mikeitous and will now spend 8 pages justifying this as technically I am right.I specifcally said mike called people a cnt where as snp called mike a smug cnt and cnt is not what mike is he is not a virgina .
I have had no response to your spelling error mike as Inertia is something totally different to enertia mikeitous is catching is there a cure lol
I have had no response to your spelling error mike as Inertia is something totally different to enertia mikeitous is catching is there a cure lol
03-08-2007, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Lunch was fabulous.... A bloody great chicken filled baton.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
I see you lot didnt stop for any.
03-08-2007, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by T S M
I stand by what I said lynn Mike called people a cnt, snp called mike a smug cnt .I have mikeitous and will now spend 8 pages justifying this as technically I am right.I specifcally said mike called people a cnt where as snp called mike a smug cnt and cnt is not what mike is he is not a virgina .
I have had no response to your spelling error mike as Inertia is something totally different to enertia mikeitous is catching is there a cure lol
I have had no response to your spelling error mike as Inertia is something totally different to enertia mikeitous is catching is there a cure lol
03-08-2007, 02:17 PM
#306
Originally Posted by T S M
I stand by what I said lynn Mike called people a cnt, snp called mike a smug cnt .I have mikeitous and will now spend 8 pages justifying this as technically I am right.I specifcally said mike called people a cnt where as snp called mike a smug cnt and cnt is not what mike is he is not a virgina .
I have had no response to your spelling error mike as Inertia is something totally different to enertia mikeitous is catching is there a cure lol
I have had no response to your spelling error mike as Inertia is something totally different to enertia mikeitous is catching is there a cure lol
. Also I didn't call "people" a cunt, I specifically mentioned names . Chip KNOWS he is - in fact I would be so bold to suggest that he ENJOYS it, and tries to make it into an actual art form .You need those glasses again, as I responded to that post regarding the inertia spelling mistake - so I think I need to update my comment to: BLIND cunt
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03-08-2007, 02:19 PM
#307
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Also I didn't call "people" a cunt, I specifically mentioned names . Chip KNOWS he is - in fact I would be so bold to suggest that he ENJOYS it, and tries to make it into an actual art form .
. Chip KNOWS he is - in fact I would be so bold to suggest that he ENJOYS it, and tries to make it into an actual art form .Thats why you are a dick and im a cunt
03-08-2007, 02:24 PM
#308
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Also I didn't call "people" a cunt, I specifically mentioned names . Chip KNOWS he is - in fact I would be so bold to suggest that he ENJOYS it, and tries to make it into an actual art form .
. Chip KNOWS he is - in fact I would be so bold to suggest that he ENJOYS it, and tries to make it into an actual art form .Thats why you are a dick and im a cunt
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03-08-2007, 02:36 PM
#310
Originally Posted by T S M
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
He's too old to know who MC Hammer is
Chip only opens his mouth to change feet
03-08-2007, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Also I didn't call "people" a cunt, I specifically mentioned names . Chip KNOWS he is - in fact I would be so bold to suggest that he ENJOYS it, and tries to make it into an actual art form .
. Chip KNOWS he is - in fact I would be so bold to suggest that he ENJOYS it, and tries to make it into an actual art form .Thats why you are a dick and im a fat, ugly cunt
03-08-2007, 03:53 PM
#317
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Rick,
I think a smaller turbine will have less rotational inertia for the exhaust gases to overcome.
I think a smaller turbine will have less rotational inertia for the exhaust gases to overcome.
03-08-2007, 04:10 PM
#318
Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Rick,
I think a smaller turbine will have less rotational inertia for the exhaust gases to overcome.
I think a smaller turbine will have less rotational inertia for the exhaust gases to overcome.
If so, it starts to get complicated as what looks like it will / should provide higher turbine speeds doesn't
. Sometimes going bigger on the exhaust wheel can actually reduce lag - it's all down to the complete design of the turbo and the matching of it to the spec of the engine.