MSD's ALS feature in Fast Ford
03-08-2007, 10:26 AM
#242
Originally Posted by T S M
Y mike are you saying that we have to read your long winded posts and answer each point specifically and explain in no less that 5k words the reasoning behind our answer because you are Sir Mike Rainbird.
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03-08-2007, 10:26 AM
#243
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
Did it not occur to you to pm him FIRST, and then post up afterwards?
03-08-2007, 10:27 AM
#244
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
03-08-2007, 10:30 AM
#245
Originally Posted by T S M
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
03-08-2007, 10:33 AM
#246
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
03-08-2007, 10:35 AM
#248
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
I sent Stu two PMs apologising at causing offence and making it clear that it wasn't my intention to upset him, and asking how and what I needed to do to adjust my post accordingly. He STILL hasn't even read these (despite being aware of them).
Did it not occur to you to pm him FIRST, and then post up afterwards?
- the intention was just to start up a "good" technical debate . However, I'm sure that Stu doesn't need you or Tony to fight his battles for him 
. I love the way you like to use dramatic exageration of the facts and how you can jump "pointing out a mistake" (IMO) to "slagging"
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03-08-2007, 10:40 AM
#250
The worm has turned time to change the battle plan up with the smoke screen back peddle back peddle divert the attention by attacking chip and I.
You would make a good politician Mike
Perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to come out of the closet
You would make a good politician Mike
Perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to come out of the closet
03-08-2007, 10:41 AM
#253
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
or perhaps secretly he is still an admin, and has read them but chosen not to have them marked as read
03-08-2007, 10:47 AM
#256
Originally Posted by T S M
The worm has turned time to change the battle plan up with the smoke screen back peddle back peddle divert the attention by attacking chip and I.
You would make a good politician Mike
Perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to come out of the closet
You would make a good politician Mike
Perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to come out of the closet
Mike would like a quote for fitting ALS to his new vehicle:
03-08-2007, 10:50 AM
#257
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by T S M
Any way stu shall we now discuss your high threshold for meat and potato pies
03-08-2007, 10:51 AM
#258
Originally Posted by T S M
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by T S M
Any way stu shall we now discuss your high threshold for meat and potato pies
ROFLOL.
03-08-2007, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I WANT TO LEARN - the only way to do that is to question everything you don't understand and accept nothing until you do 
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.Even when its been explained numerous times your wrong, your arrogant enough to shrug off the facts and come across as a smug cunt because of this.
You won't accept your wrong, as you don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand it, and from your own reasoning this means you can't accept it.
03-08-2007, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SNP
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I WANT TO LEARN - the only way to do that is to question everything you don't understand and accept nothing until you do .
.Even when its been explained numerous times your wrong, your arrogant enough to shrug off the facts and come across as a smug cunt because of this.
You won't accept your wrong, as you don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand it, and from your own reasoning this means you can't accept it.
03-08-2007, 11:37 AM
#268
Originally Posted by SNP
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I WANT TO LEARN - the only way to do that is to question everything you don't understand and accept nothing until you do .
.Even when its been explained numerous times your wrong, your arrogant enough to shrug off the facts and come across as a smug cunt because of this.
You won't accept your wrong, as you don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand it, and from your own reasoning this means you can't accept it.
.For example, I have still questioned the effects of rpm setting points and LC in conjunction to the boost threshold of large turbos - not ONE person has answered this.
So as you have such a grasp of the whole situation - please clarify the points I have queried - I will even re-cap for you:
1. a) How do you use ALS to significantly change the boost threshold of a large turbo (i.e. more than 200rpm, which would in itself be impossible to check without data-logging)?
b) How do you retain the energy required to over-come the enertia of the turbo once the throttle has been pressed, if you are more than the few hundred rpm outside the boost threshold?
2. a) How do you use LC to change the boost threshold of a large turbo (i.e. more than 200rpm, which would in itself be impossible to check without data-logging)?
b) How do you retain the energy required to over-come the enertia of the turbo once the throttle has been pressed, if you are more than the few hundred rpm outside the boost threshold?
PS. Your = belongs to, You're = You are - at least I have enough mental aptitude for this simple concept
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03-08-2007, 12:06 PM
#269
What a read!
Essentially, I agree with Mike's original point that time delay between pressing the accelerator and receiving boost is called turbo lag is technically incorrect.
In one instance that paragraph is correct (when the turbo is within the boost threshold) and in another it is incorrect (when turbo is out of the boost threshold).
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to slate Stu (in such a manor as Mike did) over a simple lack of correct phrasing, I also wouldnt be shooting Mike down in flames either!!
Turbo lag, much like "wastegate chatter" is a common misunderstanding, both of which clearly frustrate Mike immensely!! Had Stu have added just 4 or so words he would have avoided creating yet anohter batch of lag 'confusoids'.
Anyway, I think it all got a bit out of hand and I dont think anything Mike said was intentionally malicious (everyone comes across slightly more confrontational online) and also it is clear Stu has not written anything that is incorrect, rather, he has written something that could be interpretted incorrectly! As Stu said, that is not his problem, but at the same time I can see quite clearly that it would have been good for Stu just to mention the boost threshold as it would stop Mike from having to correct the swarms of anti-lag'ers that will no doubt be expecting 20psi from 800rpm on there T3s
Thats how I've seen the whole thing anyway
Essentially, I agree with Mike's original point that time delay between pressing the accelerator and receiving boost is called turbo lag is technically incorrect.
In one instance that paragraph is correct (when the turbo is within the boost threshold) and in another it is incorrect (when turbo is out of the boost threshold).
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to slate Stu (in such a manor as Mike did) over a simple lack of correct phrasing, I also wouldnt be shooting Mike down in flames either!!
Turbo lag, much like "wastegate chatter" is a common misunderstanding, both of which clearly frustrate Mike immensely!! Had Stu have added just 4 or so words he would have avoided creating yet anohter batch of lag 'confusoids'.
Anyway, I think it all got a bit out of hand and I dont think anything Mike said was intentionally malicious (everyone comes across slightly more confrontational online) and also it is clear Stu has not written anything that is incorrect, rather, he has written something that could be interpretted incorrectly! As Stu said, that is not his problem, but at the same time I can see quite clearly that it would have been good for Stu just to mention the boost threshold as it would stop Mike from having to correct the swarms of anti-lag'ers that will no doubt be expecting 20psi from 800rpm on there T3s
Thats how I've seen the whole thing anyway
03-08-2007, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
When I have then questioned these theories further, no factual data or information has been given or even suggested to support this by person or tuner .
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(not tony as hes a stig
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03-08-2007, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by T S M
I have a mental picture of arnie with stu's ugly mutt pasted on it
Stu, still love you, but.....NO!
03-08-2007, 12:26 PM
#273
Originally Posted by Matt
mike i thing ginge has hacked your account, someone appears to be posted ginge style waffle on your login
and considering that you chose to give some English lessons mike here's one for you it is "Inertia" not enertia, no doubt you will spend the next 5 pages justifying the reasons it is enertia
03-08-2007, 12:40 PM
#279
Originally Posted by ballin
What a read!
Essentially, I agree with Mike's original point that time delay between pressing the accelerator and receiving boost is called turbo lag is technically incorrect.
In one instance that paragraph is correct (when the turbo is within the boost threshold) and in another it is incorrect (when turbo is out of the boost threshold).
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to slate Stu (in such a manor as Mike did) over a simple lack of correct phrasing, I also wouldnt be shooting Mike down in flames either!!
Turbo lag, much like "wastegate chatter" is a common misunderstanding, both of which clearly frustrate Mike immensely!! Had Stu have added just 4 or so words he would have avoided creating yet anohter batch of lag 'confusoids'.
Anyway, I think it all got a bit out of hand and I dont think anything Mike said was intentionally malicious (everyone comes across slightly more confrontational online) and also it is clear Stu has not written anything that is incorrect, rather, he has written something that could be interpretted incorrectly! As Stu said, that is not his problem, but at the same time I can see quite clearly that it would have been good for Stu just to mention the boost threshold as it would stop Mike from having to correct the swarms of anti-lag'ers that will no doubt be expecting 20psi from 800rpm on there T3s
Thats how I've seen the whole thing anyway
Essentially, I agree with Mike's original point that time delay between pressing the accelerator and receiving boost is called turbo lag is technically incorrect.
In one instance that paragraph is correct (when the turbo is within the boost threshold) and in another it is incorrect (when turbo is out of the boost threshold).
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to slate Stu (in such a manor as Mike did) over a simple lack of correct phrasing, I also wouldnt be shooting Mike down in flames either!!
Turbo lag, much like "wastegate chatter" is a common misunderstanding, both of which clearly frustrate Mike immensely!! Had Stu have added just 4 or so words he would have avoided creating yet anohter batch of lag 'confusoids'.
Anyway, I think it all got a bit out of hand and I dont think anything Mike said was intentionally malicious (everyone comes across slightly more confrontational online) and also it is clear Stu has not written anything that is incorrect, rather, he has written something that could be interpretted incorrectly! As Stu said, that is not his problem, but at the same time I can see quite clearly that it would have been good for Stu just to mention the boost threshold as it would stop Mike from having to correct the swarms of anti-lag'ers that will no doubt be expecting 20psi from 800rpm on there T3s
Thats how I've seen the whole thing anyway
Thanks for the moral support - MUCH appreciated, as I was getting a right battering from all the "haters", er, I mean the Chip & Tony tag team
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