Mike Rainbird

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Stu,
Obviously with launch control, you set it so that it is just within (or only just outside) the turbos threshold, so that as soon as you get on the throttle, there is enough energy to overcome the inertia of the turbo and keep it spinning as it switches off, I can totally see that.

However, are you saying that if LC was set at 1000 or 2000rpm, the energy would still be enough to keep the boost up, if the turbos threshold wasn't until 4000?

All the two (Tony) of you have done is poke fun at me without providing ANY evidence for the movement of the boost threshold .

There have been LOTS of really good questions raised and very few answers .

Tony has mentioned about the air injectors and then not bothered explaining any further - why not ? This post (despite the pisstakes), has probably been of great use in explaining terminology and the effects of ALS - it could go MUCH further with the HELP of the two hecklers from the muppet show .

It seems that there are lots of opportunities to make me look stupid (not difficult ), lots of opportunities to educate people as to the hows / whys etc - and I can't believe that you're not at LEAST taking the opportunity of an explanation to achieve the former.

Anyway, as soon as I get my car back on the road (this weekend), I shall be datalogging the effects of the ALS and boost threshold and post up the results. But given the fact that twin ALS valves has no discernable effect on a T4 (obviously 200rpm is difficult to detect without datalogging), I'm pretty sure what the results will be . However, I have no problem being proven wrong - but that will take evidence, not two pisstakers say "it just does alright" .

CossieRich

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Nicely worded Mike.

Stavros

Mike- These cars you bang on about, do you KNOW (aside from confidence in the tuner etc) they are set up to their maximum abilities?

My guess is no.

Suprising you suddently mention the T4 car with twin ALS valves when you said even yours was dangerously high EGTs etc with a single one, then suddenly, after 4 pages of being on the defensive, another one suddely appears you know of.

Mike Rainbird

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The car is VERY well known . The driver completely agrees with me (having owned the car in this set up for YEARS) . It has been set up by the same person that has done ALS strategies for the Boreham cars . However, he asked for his name to to be dragged into the arguement . As a clue, his car is the best handling Escort in the country, I will NOT confirm or deny any guesses you may make as to his identity .

Stavros

Is he ginger, a very very good driver, and you would love to bum him?

I know the last bit could mean any male, but I know who you mean

Your still wrong though

dojj

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i think mike is on about datalogging the resluts he'll get with the second valve now being fitted stav as opposed to him already having 2 valves fitted

perhaps he was in the proccess of having the secondary valve fitted just to bring the car up to better specs?
perhaps we'll read all about it in the mag in a few months time?

until then there's not a lot that can be "prooved" one way or the other, just one bloke saying this works on this car and another saying it works on his

it's akin to saying "i can put a 50" telly in my bathroom" knowing full well that the other persons only got a small shower cubicale

Stu @ M Developments

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Given the damaging effect this topic you started could potentially have had on me, my business and indeed the company we both work for, (Future) i think that is a bit rich coming from you!

I have simply tried to keep my comments light and shall continue to do so.

Mike Rainbird

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Ginger

He looks like my OLDER brother .

Stavros

liberace?

Chip

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I must confess I was genuinely shocked at the enormous lack of professionalism of one person who works for a publisher on a particular magazine publically discrediting (or attempting to but failing due not having a clue what he is on about) another writer from the same mag.

TBH if I was Simon I would be bitterly dissapointed in Mike slagging off his mag as thanks for Simon giving him the chance to write for that same mag!



I expect technical fuckups from Mike, he has a great car but I put him firmly in the
"All the gear, no idea"
category for certain things, but I didnt expect unprofessionalism from him on that scale, I would genuinely have expected better from Mike based on what my opinion of him was prior to this thread!

Redkop

Older? You reckon?



Off to SpecSavers for you Mike

Stavros

i vote for a full page ad next issue calling mike a cunt

Mike Rainbird

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Just because I pointed out a mistake that you made that might lead to people confusing "lag" and boost threshold - er, I hardly think so .

Despite you not reading my PMs and replying about how you would like me to ammend the post, I did so off my own back to make it less confrontational (which as I explained in my pm was to provoke some discourse on the thread), as soon as I realised it had upset you.

I note you STILL haven't read these either . Obviously I must have upset you more than I thought .

Mike Rainbird

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So pointing out a mistake is now considered slagging off ?

Just because you don't EXPECT Stu to make a mistake, that doesn't mean he is incapable of them - we ALL are - even you (see the air injector part of this post where you rediculed Dojj, but Tony handed a in your arse - depite the lack of detailed explanation on his part ).

Chip

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Tony, if you read Dojj's post it was asking where air injectors come into a discussion on wether "LESS LAG" is a term that implies a change in boost threshold or not, I said they dont.
I wasnt saying they arent used in conjunction with ALS, I was merely saying they are relevant to the discussion we are having here.

We werent talking about the effect of badly implementing them, we were talking about correctly installed ALS and its effects on boost threshold, I know its harder to see what the topic is about since mike went and altered his original post to look less stupid and less argumentative so I hope that clears it up for you.

Chip

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In the manner you did it before you went back and edited it, YES, in fact that is WHY you went back and edited it.

Tony didnt read the question that I answered properly, so he made a mistake in his reply to me.

Mike Rainbird

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I altered the first line and two smilies ONLY .

If you don't believe that, someone will have cached it I'm sure.

Just goes to show though, how people can read things to sound how THEY want it to .

Surely not a TUNER making a mistake instead of lowly me ?

Chip

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There we go Mike, first line and two smilies only, can you spot the subtle difference in how people would interpret it now?

Mike Rainbird

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Surely a detailed explanation as to how ALS affects the boost threshold would be an ideal way to put a in me - at the same time as making this post (once cleaned up ), an ideal candidate for the technical discussion area . Obviously I can understand your reticence to do so at the moment (sorry for that ), but at a later date would be awesome .

Mike Rainbird

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Chip,
Your examples (as would be expected from you ) are a bit different from:

and

Billabong

You 'seam' to have forgotten something, Mike

Chip

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Mike, I was pointing out that "just 1 line and a couple of smilies" is a pointless defence to use.

JjCoDeX75

Speaking independently, as a Building Surveyor, if one of my colleagues thought that I had made an error of judgement and then chose to declare this in front of my client, irrespective of whether he was correct, I would be absolutely furious.

Having read the thread, frankly I remain convinced that Stu's article was spot on. But this is totally irrelevant. Your thread could be and has been interpreted as a challenge at the quality of the article written by Stu.

Hand on heart, with the benefit of hind sight, do you really think that this was the correct way to deal with it - so openly?

Fucking glad I dont work with you chap

JJ

Mike Rainbird

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Read the post I made earlier in this thread and I mention the first edit was for this .

Stu @ M Developments

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Agreed. But i havent. The article is about Lag.

Mike Rainbird

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It was already in the public domain .

Chip

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Indeed, he trusted you to treat him with respect

Chip

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You complaint, accompanied by your name (same one you use as a mag contributor) was already in the public domain where exactly?

Billabong

You're exampple was incorrect, so have this back

So much back-peddling going on in this thread, that if you all rode Grifters, you'd have worn out your rear tyres by now

Mike Rainbird

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And lag is the response of the turbo once it is in the boost threshold.

This is not mentioned anywhere in your article .

Therefore anyone reading it will think that lag is the response of the turbo once you press the accelerator, as this is what you say it is.

JjCoDeX75

Not sure that makes any difference, matey. Ultimately, even if you were correct, the point you are making does not fundamentally change the nature of Stu's article - so why devalue the article?

All above is merely my interpretation of course

Graceland

Mike

A much as I respect you for all you have done (and your colgate smile aswell), please, do us a favour and shut the fuck up for once

I for one enjoyed reading the article, even if I didn't fully understand it

Rick

Oh dear, how deep is this hole going to get?!

Mike Rainbird

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The mistake was. However, I'm 100% ure you realised that this is what I meant .

Mike Rainbird

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As I have stated, it was just to stop the misnoma of there being no difference between lag and boost threshold from being perpetuated.

Sorry if this makes me unpopular .

Chip

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So if in one of your articles, you say "my car handles well round the nurburgring" should you specify fruther that it "handles well round the nurburgring when I grab hold of the steering wheel with my hands, but NOT when you sit in the back of the car and prod it with a broom"

Chip

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But there isnt a mistake

Mike Rainbird

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If you really believe that Chip, then ask someone (that hasn't read this post) to read it and then tell them to describe "lag".

As to your previous comment, all I can say is WTF?

CossieRich

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10 pages by 5pm

Good work you lot