SillyFezzaMk1

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Hi guys, I have a SECS S8 ecu on the way but have also been offered a L8 ecu.......

In the grand scheme of things which is the best route to take in your opinions....modify the L8 to take water inj, anit-lag etc... or use the SECS S8?

Cheers
Dan

Kelv

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Personally, and this is really only my own view.....

i wouldnt use the S8, with the research and development that Stu and his team have put in to the L8 id say it wins hands down with what it can now offer.

plus Stu will always be there to give after sales advice, help and sort out any problems that may arise in the future - if any!!

Chip

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S8 is a better bit of kit technically from a hardware point of view but seems to have some software niggles and some support issues.

SillyFezzaMk1

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one of you says L8, one says S8.....

Only thing I can think of to seperate the 2 is if I have problems with the ECU in the future I can whip the chip out and use another L8....S8's dont have a removable chip IIRC and chances of finding a replacement quickly would be smaller than L8.......

Thats the only thing I can seperate the two with though atm.

Dan

Chip

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No one has said S8

My reply wasnt in support of it, apologies if it came across that way.

I view the S8 as "nearly worth having" but basically the issues with support and the software glitches mean I wouldnt recomend it.

Personally I would go for autronic or similar for the same sort of money that you will end up spending on an L8 that still isnt mappable at the end of it.

Or look at the RP Labs stuff, as at least that is remappable and well supported.

Eagle

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aftersales support is the key to everything in life ....

saph4be

what sort off price would autronic cost chip

Chip

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A secondhand SMC/SM2 which does the sort of things these ECU's do changes hand for about 500-800 quid, loom may need replacing though which could be as much as a few hundred.

the original

I vote for S8

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Get S8 out of your mind...its shit..now i dont mean that in technical terms...but in support terms..the maker is a complete wanker

rapidcossie

So true eagle...

I have autronic and I had to phone Mark at all times of day and nite and he ALWAYS answers

SillyFezzaMk1

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Ohh rite, so If I go S8 I'm on my own then.... Might flog it and stick with the L8 then....I'm not worried really about the slight cost differences...As long as I have a decent ECU that'll give me 400-450bhp out of a decent spec motor with anti-lag and w-inj i'll be happy.....

NMS will be mapping it and modding it as it'd closest to me and never heard a bad word against his mapping tbh.

Cheers
Dan

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mate if karl is mapping it he is the MASTER of L8

..set fire to the s8......before it does

RWD_cossie_wil

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After MSD of course

abdr500

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how about rp labs its a l8 ecu that gets converted and does all the trick you want it to

Kelv

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As said above - if Karl Norris is mapping it then stick with L8

you cant go wrong there.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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LOL, I thought my ears were burning

I have always supported the S8 and still do and am still adding features.
These have been slow to come as I dont own a YB present (yet )

Those who have had bad experience of support for that product have
mostly failed to follow my advice and therfore have only themselves to
blame. I admit I have been slow to react on some occasions but then I
dont do this full time and havent done for 3 years now.
If anyone else thinks they can design, build, write software, support
all by theirselves aswell as holding down a full time job and have a family
then they are most definately a better person than myself.
Yes I know I have only myself to blame for most of my fuck ups
and am only more than willing to own up for that.


As I have said before, I cant always answer the phone immediately as I
work during the day and am on the road quite a bit.
I will respond as soon as I can providing a message is left.
(those who have a pop at me and call can expect silence )


I dont have to provide any support any more legally but still do as the
last unit sold was well over 2 years ago and is out of waranty.


SillyFezzaMk1,
If you want to have a go at DIY mapping then the S8 is for you as its
easy to use and is cheap and reliable in itself.
If you dont the L8 is very well developed now and will do you but
you will pay for extra features.
(some of which I helped develop myself )
There have been some minor software issues that have been fixed
recently and updates for those are available.
(Transient trrottle response and ALS added)
Also FYI , Karl is able to map the S8 and has done many times with success.
He has complained about some minor issues that have subsequently been
sorted but has only ever said this to others and not myself.
Utimately, the choice is yours and/or your chosen tuner.


abdr500,
When you see how much the RP labs is, you will be better off with Autronic
or a fully modded L8 from MSD.
Ask Mike R
(For the record the RP labs L8 is a superb piece of modified engineering)



MAD YUM,
We wont talk about the well known tuner who just melted an engine
while mapping it now will we ....


Bosch_Dealer,
Ah my best buddy Phil is back on form.
When you have taken years to create something you have lived and
breathed as well as making sacrifices like I have done then I hope you
will realise things are not as easy as flogging ready made nazi car parts.
Thank fuck you dont have kids




Simon

*Bri.4.b.Cos*

I have repeatedly asked about these software updates including the windows mapping interface and when they would be ready, and have yet to recieve a straight answer

You have said on several ocasions " updates will be available very soon and you on the email list for updates" To date I still have not recieved anything

If these updates are infact ready can you please kindley PM me or email me them as they are needed asap.

This is not intended as a hostile post, mearly a reminder that people are waiting for these

Cheers

Bri.

RS500/364

THATS WHY I SOLD MINE AND GAVE UP Ł2K LATER AND FUC ALL SURPORT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY AHMED BUT SIMON FUC*ED HIM ABOUT TO FFS S8 ONLY GOT USED AS A DOORSTOP BY ME

Bart

Can you PM this also to me please?

foreigneRS

RPLab L8 is the one to go for just a shame about the price in this country

RS500/364

Intreasting coment what is it in others and were

Mike Rainbird

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Nick,
You forget that it costs Ł30 (with insurance) to send the ECU to Germany EACH WAY (48 hr signed for delivery service) and also Ł40 to do a bank transfer to RP Labs bank account. Already that is Ł100 on the price .

Combine this with technical support that is offered and time spent answering the myriad of questions you get, it doesn't take long before the profit margin is totally eaten into and even gone . I estimate that each sale has taken me a couple of hours of my time answering questions BEFORE they have even bought the ECU . Quite often, you can spend this time and still get no sale, so to be honest, I don't personally think that the price is unreasonable.

The benefit of the L8 / S8 over other ECUs is that although it is recommended, if your loom is in good condition, you do not need to replace it like you would with T2 or Autronic . RP Labs also supports the OE injectors, whereas T2 needs high impedence ones - so another "hidden" cost that takes these ECUs way over the price of the RP Labs item, when you start taking all these into account.

Don't forget you also get the Data Stream program that Stu charges Ł135 for already as part of the mapping package, so if you were thinking of getting this - that is an additional saving .

Turbosystems

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The looms require replacing any way mike they are old and I would advise a p8 ecu

Jay,

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Is there 2 different p8's ?

MikeR

Simon what are you refering to about melting ??

Mike

Chip

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Mike, im sure people realise WHY the price is dearer over here by the time an extra middle man has to have a cut, no one would expect you/harvey to handle them for free, but like Nick said, its a shame it ends up making the cost so high in the end.

If Nikola was here in the uk and people could deal direct then it would make it a more attractive option, which is essentially how things were for Nick when he was living abroad and dealing with him direct.


Serious question though, why dont you send 5 ecu's at once, then you only have to pay 12 shipping per item and 8 quid bank transfer fee, so it would take 80 quid off the price instantly withouit it costing you a penny, it would be LESS hassle for you in terms of having to keep going to the post office, and it would ultimately result in more profit for you no doubt as you would sell more if they are cheaper, or are you just not prepeared to "hold the stock" like that?

foreigneRS

i wasn't suggesting for a minute that the price was 'unreasonable' mike

Mike Rainbird

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Chip,
Unfortunately doing it like that would mean having well over Ł3k of stock sitting there (once you have bought five L8s and paid for them to be modified). Given the small margin of mark-up, it doesn't make economical business sense for the return involved .

I honestly thought that we would be doing it how you suggest (as this WAS the plan), but the interest just hasn't been there. It seems to be the hardest thing in the world to part the average RS owner with their money - just look at all the "where is the cheapest?" threads and you'll know what I mean .

Redkop

Yep...

P8 and Pectel super P8

Turbosystems

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The p8 is extremely advanced and can run wasted spark as standard as well as being speed pressure throttle angle mapped ,has closed loop boost control as standard closed loop hego sensor as standard (lamba), als via pectel etc etc etc

Chip

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I guess the reality of the situation is that all the add ons stu does as part of his latest L8 developments means that the ONLY thing the RP Labs really offers in addition is that it is self mappable, and the reality is that 99.9% of peopel would be terrified to map their own car (which is probably a good thing) so therefore doesnt interest them.

Shame, cause its a genuinely awesome product, especially the user interface.

Mike Rainbird

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Chip,
Got it in one - there's not enough people wanting to do it themselves (bad for me and all the engine builders ).

Chip

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ironically ive never actually managed to kill an engine through bad mapping when ive mapped it myself, but im sure it will happen one day, lol

foreigneRS

but it doesn't have to be a diy mapper - it could equally be a proffessional mapper that does not have the equipment, software or knowledge to live map the marelli ecu.

for example, if i lived in norfolk and had a cossie i would get an RP Lab L8 and take it to Dave Walker at Emerald to map

you could even get a proper live map done at engine advantages

Mike Rainbird

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Nick,
It's on that basis that I have sold the ones I have - not one has been to a DIY mapper as such, but purchased to enable their own mapper of choice to do it for them .

And APMSLOL at you last comment .

Jay,

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thought dave walker only maps his own ecu's might be wrong

foreigneRS

i think that he gives priority to customers with the emerald ecu, but will do others. but that's beside the point as the thread starter says he's going to NMS