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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 06:24 PM
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Ok i have got 1.6bar......i acheived this by a very small jet in the middle amal valve pipe and by putting a bigger jet in the "to air" pipe...the other is open totally.

Now if i put the same sized jet in as the middle pipe,in the "to air" pipe...would that keep me at 1.6 bar but with a nice spike?

Actuator is a -31 set as standard.

The car fooking flys at 1.6bar.... but i want a big peak as there is certainly enuff fuel to do this at the earlier revs.......btw no surge from the turbo whatsoever!!!
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 06:26 PM
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Glad its going Phil.

Cough, Cough, The S8 has mappable boost control even on the standard AMAL valve.
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 06:45 PM
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Phil:
compressor restriction will increase peak, return restriction will decrease held.

Simon:
Yep, nowt like just adding say, 20 to the boost map area you like and then squeeezing the throttle to see if youve achieved your goal is there?

Fooking hate pissin about with those jets like Phils doin!!
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 06:50 PM
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Stu...i am confused.

The middle is "c" yes?That has a tiny jet in..actually its a bit of a WD40 red pipe ...the "to air" which is "r"????..has now got the WD40 pipe aswell....
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Restricting C will increase boost spike / decreasing will lower spike

Restricting R will Decrease held boost / decreasing will raise held
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 06:59 PM
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Be aware that the R port also has a small effect on peak.
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:03 PM
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stu what happens if all of em have no jets ?
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I personally hate adjusting boost using this method as it has a
tendancy to wear out the bonnet hinges.
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SECS
I personally hate adjusting boost using this method as it has a
tendancy to wear out the bonnet hinges.
And Patience levels......

Ginger..
That would be pretty fooking pointles to be honest
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:17 PM
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SECS,
I personally hate adjusting boost using this method as it has a
tendancy to wear out the bonnet hinges.

fpmsl!!!
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the reason for it is though??


what would it do , i wanna learn about cossies
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Restricting C will increase boost spike / decreasing will lower spike

Restricting R will Decrease held boost / decreasing will raise held
Sorry but this is confusing for a foreign goon.

If restricting C will increase the boost spike how come it will lower the spike if you decrease it?

I mean doesnt restrict and decrease mean the same thing?
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Sorry fella...
When i say decrease, i meant decrease the restriction....
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:33 PM
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decreasing the restiction
ie,, making it bigger
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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Fooking hell i hate anal opps i mean amal
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Foreign goon translator
Restricting C will increase boost spike / Unrestricting C will lower spike

Restricting R will Decrease held boost / Unrestricting R will raise held
Is this correct then?

I will give it a try on mine because the actuator preload is low.
Tried increasing the preload It boost to much instead so I thought I would alter the jets to get lower boost and then increase actuator preload to get correct boost.

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edited for double post.
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:47 PM
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Phil,

A real easy starting point is a 2.5mm restrictor in the C port (compressor), nothing in the W port (actuator) and nothing in the R port (vent to atmosphere). Using a -31 installed with half hole preload will normally give around 1.6bar held on a T38. To up this shorten the actuator rod one turn at a time until you get your desired boost. I found I ended up with one full hole preload and above jetting to get 1.9 bar held on last T38 car I mapped.
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Andreas,
Foreign goon translator wrote:
AFPMSL @ That Andreas
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Hi Karl......i dont use the T38...i use the lastest special T34 with BIG exhaust wheel and BIG comp wheel....437bhp @ 1.6bar on std engine with greys! But can hold 34psi all day

As said i get 1.6 easy with WD40 tube in port C nowt in W and a nearly open C ....i want a 34psi spike and a held 26psi until i get more injectors in!...I didnt think it was wise using the actuator to increase boost????
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Originally Posted by SECS
I personally hate adjusting boost using this method as it has a
tendancy to wear out the bonnet hinges.
pmsl

Stu@MDevelopments, this is probably a good one for the tech archive
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 08:23 PM
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phil the problem is without the ability to map the boost yourself you're limited by whatever the amal mapping is set to.

If you go with my above jetting, you'll be able to get the correct held boost, and the spike will perhaps be 2-3psi more. Loading the actuator is fine as long as you keep within sensible limits. This is why I start with half a hole and usually go up to but not more than around a full hole of preload.

Why don't you have a word with sue (if thats where your chip came from) and ask her to progressively shut down the amal valve to give you the desired higher midrange boost and top end drop.

If you can't get this sorted then I'm sure I could sort you out a chip in return for a favour!
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so if you dont have any restrictions what would that do ???????
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Reduce the spike, and overall lower the boost compared to if you have a C port jet.

On a side note you're more likely to blow the amal valve apart too!!
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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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is there much of an advantage to be had running an electronic boost controller or injectors at this level of tune?

or is it just unnecessary expense?
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Originally Posted by Karl
Reduce the spike, and overall lower the boost compared to if you have a C port jet.

On a side note you're more likely to blow the amal valve apart too!!
Fook all to do with Phylis's thread Karl but i forgot to mention earlier that i am currently on air to air is that ok for you?
Cheers Spadge..
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I personally prefer ecu controlled boost methods over seperate boost controllers, but thats mainly because I'm not a gizmo fan and prefer the car interior to be free from clutter.
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Yes spadge thats fine.
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Originally Posted by Karl
Yes spadge thats fine.
Cool speak tommorow
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Phil,

Nothing to do with settingup boost but have u got ur head ported, just out of interest?
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Originally Posted by Ima-Racing500
Hi Karl......i dont use the T38...i use the lastest special T34 with BIG exhaust wheel and BIG comp wheel....437bhp @ 1.6bar on std engine with greys! But can hold 34psi all day

As said i get 1.6 easy with WD40 tube in port C nowt in W and a nearly open C ....i want a 34psi spike and a held 26psi until i get more injectors in!...I didnt think it was wise using the actuator to increase boost????
Can i see the dyno chart for this engine m8
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Originally Posted by RS_31PSI
Originally Posted by Ima-Racing500
Hi Karl......i dont use the T38...i use the lastest special T34 with BIG exhaust wheel and BIG comp wheel....437bhp @ 1.6bar on std engine with greys! But can hold 34psi all day

As said i get 1.6 easy with WD40 tube in port C nowt in W and a nearly open C ....i want a 34psi spike and a held 26psi until i get more injectors in!...I didnt think it was wise using the actuator to increase boost????
Can i see the dyno chart for this engine m8

Got more chance of seing the Loch Ness monster
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Rich...my head is ported to Grp A spec!


Karl.........after the shit i have given you...i wouldnt expect a decent chip...atleast Sue aint got no grudges Plus the chip is compatible with the moniter.

Simon SECS...it shows how serious your ECU offer was!!!!...bollocks Fortunately i dont want it now...you had your chance but failed to deliver after my demands..i wish you much success though.
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Originally Posted by Ima-Racing500
atleast Sue aint got no grudges
Has a cock though or have i heard wrong
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So that why Phil got the chip from her!

It is his ideal woman next to raibird in a weg and staletto's
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another quick Q... how is the ERSt and 2wd saph amals different? are they jetted the same?

reason i ask is i have an amal that someone decided to remove all the jets from, and i also have an ERST one kickin about i could ponce the jets out of rather than feckin about finding something to bung in the holes
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Originally Posted by Ima-Racing500
Rich...my head is ported to Grp A spec!
Nice one phil. Cheers. Who did the porting and how much was it if you dont mind me asking? Cheers
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Phil - use Carb jets and drill them out. I know Mark used to use these to jet the amal valve.
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jon ya sigs gone abit behind time
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