Can You Fit?? (Zetec Engine Question)...
03-05-2007, 12:51 AM
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Can You Fit?? (Zetec Engine Question)...
Ive just brought an Escort Cabrio (M-reg) with a 1.6 Zetec engine in it. Just wondered if any other Zetec engines will fit with the same wiring loom? Same plugs/sensors on engine??? i.e. Will a Mondeo 2.0l fit/work with minimal fuss? or a 1.8??
Any info would be good as I wanna pick up a 2nd hand engine to rebuild and powder coat as it gets built
(Some people may not think its worth it, but me Mrs may keep this car for a few years, so I would prefer it rebuilt and looking good )
Any info would be good as I wanna pick up a 2nd hand engine to rebuild and powder coat as it gets built
(Some people may not think its worth it, but me Mrs may keep this car for a few years, so I would prefer it rebuilt and looking good
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03-05-2007, 01:48 AM
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yup just need to disable pats and fit a mondeo 2.0 engine, ecu and injectors then you have 136bhp to play with... you also need to swap over to the 2.0 the sump and waterpump etc, as they are different on the mondeo, for further advice http://www.ford-force.com
03-05-2007, 11:10 PM
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lol Ollie, but I want it semi reliable mate!! I just want something to powder coat and show people how good things can look (I need something to keep me busy when me Esc Cos sells 
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(I need something to keep me busy when me Esc Cos sells )
04-05-2007, 07:37 AM
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Cheers Billy, but whats PATS and EDIS??? Sounds like a comedy act or something
Whats the best 2.0 engine to use? Engine code or anything please?? Haven't had time to look at that website above yet
Whats the best 2.0 engine to use? Engine code or anything please?? Haven't had time to look at that website above yet
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04-05-2007, 01:08 PM
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Use an early silver top engine to make your life a whole lot simpler 
In answer to your question....lol.... sit down
You can get a world of information on this conversion on www.fiestaturbo.com
Heres some info to get ya started.....
http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/1-...04-07-vt92943/
And this thread IS a god send!!!
http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/2-...guide-vt58354/
In answer to your question....lol.... sit down
PATS
No nothing to do with a certain East Enders character but the acronym used by Ford for their internal anti-theft system. It actually stands for Passive Anti-Theft System and as been around on Fords since the early nineties. There have been a number of generations of PATS ranging from the fairly simple early systems to todays systems that are linked with the Engine Management system. The basic principle of all of the systems is that there is a chip, you’ll notice a litle red tab on a Ford key which is the chip, and I thought it was just to make the key look pretty, that talks to a de-coder which surrounds the ignition switch which in turn talks to the PATS module and on later cars the ECU. When you put the key in the ignition, the signal is checked by the PATS unit to ensure it is compatible and if so the PATS module enables the main circuits to the ECU and to the Fuel Pump thus enabling the car to be started. On later PATS systems these are more sophisiticated and the PATS module also talks to the ECU and enables the fuel circuits in the ECU as opposed to external to it. For the unitiated the PATS system will often be referred to as internal or external dependant if the PATS system is integrated with the ECU or not.
A quick call to a local company quickly confirmed that my Fiesta Si was equipped with external PATS which was good news on two counts, one that I could retain the security and two that I would not need to worry about PATS when changing the ECU, so good news all round really. If any readers want a real laugh try asking anyone in Ford about PATS, you’d think you’d asked for Bin Laden’s phone number the whole area is considered, probably quite rightly, as highly sensitive. If you take the trouble to look at the PATS wiring you’ll quickly notice that all the wires are brown, also for security reasons!!!!!
EDIS
EDIS can be managed seperately from the ECU via an EDIS module or can be managed within the ECU. All ’93-’97 Mondeos, with the exception of the Automatic, had internal EDIS whilst I beleives that all earlier Zetec Fiestas like XR2i and RS1800 had a seperate EDIS module. Because of this I assumed I would need to do a certain amount of re-wiring to support the Mondeo ECU. However I discovered to my joy that the 1.6Si Fiesta had internal EDIS the same as the Mondeo so in theory I would not need to make any loom changes assuming that the pin connections were the same between the Fiesta ECU and the Mondeo ECU. I set out to try to confirm this but in the process managed to find a contact on the FiestaTurbo.com forum who had done the same 1.6 to 2.0 conversion and had established that the ECUs could just be swapped.
No nothing to do with a certain East Enders character but the acronym used by Ford for their internal anti-theft system. It actually stands for Passive Anti-Theft System and as been around on Fords since the early nineties. There have been a number of generations of PATS ranging from the fairly simple early systems to todays systems that are linked with the Engine Management system. The basic principle of all of the systems is that there is a chip, you’ll notice a litle red tab on a Ford key which is the chip, and I thought it was just to make the key look pretty, that talks to a de-coder which surrounds the ignition switch which in turn talks to the PATS module and on later cars the ECU. When you put the key in the ignition, the signal is checked by the PATS unit to ensure it is compatible and if so the PATS module enables the main circuits to the ECU and to the Fuel Pump thus enabling the car to be started. On later PATS systems these are more sophisiticated and the PATS module also talks to the ECU and enables the fuel circuits in the ECU as opposed to external to it. For the unitiated the PATS system will often be referred to as internal or external dependant if the PATS system is integrated with the ECU or not.
A quick call to a local company quickly confirmed that my Fiesta Si was equipped with external PATS which was good news on two counts, one that I could retain the security and two that I would not need to worry about PATS when changing the ECU, so good news all round really. If any readers want a real laugh try asking anyone in Ford about PATS, you’d think you’d asked for Bin Laden’s phone number the whole area is considered, probably quite rightly, as highly sensitive. If you take the trouble to look at the PATS wiring you’ll quickly notice that all the wires are brown, also for security reasons!!!!!
EDIS
EDIS can be managed seperately from the ECU via an EDIS module or can be managed within the ECU. All ’93-’97 Mondeos, with the exception of the Automatic, had internal EDIS whilst I beleives that all earlier Zetec Fiestas like XR2i and RS1800 had a seperate EDIS module. Because of this I assumed I would need to do a certain amount of re-wiring to support the Mondeo ECU. However I discovered to my joy that the 1.6Si Fiesta had internal EDIS the same as the Mondeo so in theory I would not need to make any loom changes assuming that the pin connections were the same between the Fiesta ECU and the Mondeo ECU. I set out to try to confirm this but in the process managed to find a contact on the FiestaTurbo.com forum who had done the same 1.6 to 2.0 conversion and had established that the ECUs could just be swapped.
Heres some info to get ya started.....
Originally Posted by Scort
Right then boys and girls!
Moving on to ECU's codes & compatibility!
Here is a fairly comprehensive list of EEC-IV ecu's and their codes. I have only included CVH & Zetec ecus.
What I am suggesting we do, is link all compatible ECU's. The amount of posts that are put up about which ECU is compatible etc, we can point them all here.
So, If you have done your 2.0 conversion,could you please post up which ECU you had and changed it to, and I will update the list with linking ECU codes!
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 92 on 92AB12A650AC XEF2ABAC
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 92 on 93AB12A650AB XEF3ABAB
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93AB12A650AC XEF3ABAC *AGED*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94AB12A650EB XEF4ABEB *ENVY*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94AB12A650HB XEF4ABHB *HAWK*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95AB12A650HA XEF5ABHA *EDGE*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650XA XEF5ABXA *WIND*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650NA XEF5ABNA *NUDE*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650TA XEF5ABTA *TART*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650TB XEF5ABTB *TUNA*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650ZA XEF5ABZA *SILK*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650ZB XEF5ABZB *STAG*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650RA XEF5ABRA Auto *RIOT*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650UB XEF5ABUB Auto *LION*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650UD XEF5ABUD Auto *LADS*
Escort 1.6 litre 16 Valve 96 on 96AB12A650KB XEF6ABKB *JEEP*
Escort 1.6 litre 16 Valve 97 on 98AB12A650AWA XEF8ABWA *WISH*
Escort 1.6 litre 16 Valve 98 on 98AB12A650BDB XEF8ABDB *DARK*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650CD XEF2FBCD 105BHP
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650CE XEF2FBCE 105BHP *NEON*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94FB12A650BB XEF4FBBB 105BHP *BEAU*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95FB12A650FA XEF5FBFA 105BHP *BALL*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650SA XEF5ABSA 105BHP *SKIN*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95FB12A650VA XEF5FBVA 105BHP *VEIN*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95FB12A650VB XEF5FBVB 105BHP *VASE*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 96 on 97AB12A650JA XEF7ABJA 115BHP *JUMP*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 97 on 97AB12A650JB XEF7ABJB 115BHP *JEST*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 97 on 98AB12A650ASA XEF8ABSA 115BHP *SLUG*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 98 on 98AB12A650BEB XEF8ABEB 115BHP *EXPO*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 98 on XS4F12A650MA XEFS4FMA 115BHP *LAIR*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650BC XEF2FBBC 130BHP
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650BD XEF2FBBD 130BHP *COPY*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 93-94 92FB12A650BE XEF2FBBE 130BHP *MONK*
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 89-90 89AB12A650AA XEF9ABAA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90 89 AB12A650AC XEF9ABAC
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 89AB12A650DA XEF9ABDA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 89AB12A650FA XEF9ABFA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 91AB12A650DA XEF1ABDA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 91AB12A650DB XEF1ABDB
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 91AB12A650FA XEF1ABFA
Fiesta 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94AB12A650GB XEF4ABGB *GURU*
Fiesta 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650CE XEF2FBCE 105BHP *NEON*
Fiesta 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94FB12A650BB XEF4FBBB 105BHP *BEAU*
Fiesta RS1800 16 Valve 92 92FB12A650DC XEF2FBDC 130BHP
Fiesta RS1800 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650DD XEF2FBDD 130BHP *ALSO*
Fiesta RS Turbo 1.6 litre 90-91 V90FB12A650AB XEF0FBAB *OFAB*
Fiesta RS Turbo 1.6 litre 91 on V90FB12A650AC XEF0FBAC *OFAC*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650BB XEF3BBBB *BLOB*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650BC XEF3BBBC *BLIP*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650CA XEF3BBCA *CAMP*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650CD XEF3BBCD *COCO*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95BB12A650JA XEF5BBJA *SACK*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95BB12A650JB XEF5BBJB *SEAL*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 95 on 95BB12A650PA XEF5BBPA *EAST*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 96 on 95BB12A650JC XEF5BBJC *SNOW*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 96 on 96BB12A650MA XEF6BBMA *ELBA*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650ED XEF3BBED *DESK*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650EE XEF3BBEE *DEWY*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650EF XEF3BBEF *DEEP*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650GC XEF3BBGC *EDAM*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650GD XEF3BBGD *EARS*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 94 on 93BB12A650EG XEF3BBEG *DALE*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95BB12A650KA XEF5BBKA *TAXI*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95BB12A650KB XEF5BBKB *TELL*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 95 on 95BB12A650UA XEF5BBUA *PIPE*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 96 on 96BB12A650PA XEF6BBPA *PLOT*
Steve
Moving on to ECU's codes & compatibility!
Here is a fairly comprehensive list of EEC-IV ecu's and their codes. I have only included CVH & Zetec ecus.
What I am suggesting we do, is link all compatible ECU's. The amount of posts that are put up about which ECU is compatible etc, we can point them all here.
So, If you have done your 2.0 conversion,could you please post up which ECU you had and changed it to, and I will update the list with linking ECU codes!
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 92 on 92AB12A650AC XEF2ABAC
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 92 on 93AB12A650AB XEF3ABAB
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93AB12A650AC XEF3ABAC *AGED*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94AB12A650EB XEF4ABEB *ENVY*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94AB12A650HB XEF4ABHB *HAWK*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95AB12A650HA XEF5ABHA *EDGE*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650XA XEF5ABXA *WIND*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650NA XEF5ABNA *NUDE*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650TA XEF5ABTA *TART*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650TB XEF5ABTB *TUNA*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650ZA XEF5ABZA *SILK*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650ZB XEF5ABZB *STAG*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650RA XEF5ABRA Auto *RIOT*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650UB XEF5ABUB Auto *LION*
Escort/Orion 1.6 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650UD XEF5ABUD Auto *LADS*
Escort 1.6 litre 16 Valve 96 on 96AB12A650KB XEF6ABKB *JEEP*
Escort 1.6 litre 16 Valve 97 on 98AB12A650AWA XEF8ABWA *WISH*
Escort 1.6 litre 16 Valve 98 on 98AB12A650BDB XEF8ABDB *DARK*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650CD XEF2FBCD 105BHP
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650CE XEF2FBCE 105BHP *NEON*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94FB12A650BB XEF4FBBB 105BHP *BEAU*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95FB12A650FA XEF5FBFA 105BHP *BALL*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95AB12A650SA XEF5ABSA 105BHP *SKIN*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95FB12A650VA XEF5FBVA 105BHP *VEIN*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95FB12A650VB XEF5FBVB 105BHP *VASE*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 96 on 97AB12A650JA XEF7ABJA 115BHP *JUMP*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 97 on 97AB12A650JB XEF7ABJB 115BHP *JEST*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 97 on 98AB12A650ASA XEF8ABSA 115BHP *SLUG*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 98 on 98AB12A650BEB XEF8ABEB 115BHP *EXPO*
Escort 1.8 litre 16 Valve 98 on XS4F12A650MA XEFS4FMA 115BHP *LAIR*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650BC XEF2FBBC 130BHP
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650BD XEF2FBBD 130BHP *COPY*
Escort/Orion 1.8 litre 16 Valve 93-94 92FB12A650BE XEF2FBBE 130BHP *MONK*
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 89-90 89AB12A650AA XEF9ABAA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90 89 AB12A650AC XEF9ABAC
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 89AB12A650DA XEF9ABDA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 89AB12A650FA XEF9ABFA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 91AB12A650DA XEF1ABDA
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 91AB12A650DB XEF1ABDB
Fiesta/XR2i 1.6 litre 90-91 91AB12A650FA XEF1ABFA
Fiesta 1.6 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94AB12A650GB XEF4ABGB *GURU*
Fiesta 1.8 litre 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650CE XEF2FBCE 105BHP *NEON*
Fiesta 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 94FB12A650BB XEF4FBBB 105BHP *BEAU*
Fiesta RS1800 16 Valve 92 92FB12A650DC XEF2FBDC 130BHP
Fiesta RS1800 16 Valve 92-93 92FB12A650DD XEF2FBDD 130BHP *ALSO*
Fiesta RS Turbo 1.6 litre 90-91 V90FB12A650AB XEF0FBAB *OFAB*
Fiesta RS Turbo 1.6 litre 91 on V90FB12A650AC XEF0FBAC *OFAC*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650BB XEF3BBBB *BLOB*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650BC XEF3BBBC *BLIP*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650CA XEF3BBCA *CAMP*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650CD XEF3BBCD *COCO*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95BB12A650JA XEF5BBJA *SACK*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95BB12A650JB XEF5BBJB *SEAL*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 95 on 95BB12A650PA XEF5BBPA *EAST*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve 96 on 95BB12A650JC XEF5BBJC *SNOW*
Mondeo 1.8 litre 16 Valve Auto 96 on 96BB12A650MA XEF6BBMA *ELBA*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650ED XEF3BBED *DESK*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650EE XEF3BBEE *DEWY*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 93 on 93BB12A650EF XEF3BBEF *DEEP*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650GC XEF3BBGC *EDAM*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 93 on 93BB12A650GD XEF3BBGD *EARS*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 94 on 93BB12A650EG XEF3BBEG *DALE*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 94 on 95BB12A650KA XEF5BBKA *TAXI*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve 95 on 95BB12A650KB XEF5BBKB *TELL*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 95 on 95BB12A650UA XEF5BBUA *PIPE*
Mondeo 2 litre 16 Valve Auto 96 on 96BB12A650PA XEF6BBPA *PLOT*
Steve
Originally Posted by Scort
UPDATE.........
Early Zetecs came fitted with external E-DIS. I have recently fitted a 2.0 to my orion, and wanted to make use of a decent 2.0 Mondeo ECU. All Manual Mondeo's are fitted with internal E-DIS.
For this setup I used a DESK ECU, I also tried a DEWY, while I was at it. They both worked fine. It's worth noting that you will need to change the MAF to a 2.0 one also. The 1.8 one is calibrated wrong.
I will start with a bit of an ECU pinout chart, as I usually do!! There are a few pins I have not included, for instance Air-Con etc.
Mondeo DESK
1 Battery
2
3 Speed Sensor
4 Tacho
5
6
7 ECT Sensor
8 Fuel Pump Relay
9 MAF
10
11 Emission Canister Purge
12
13 Engine Coolant Fan Relay 1
14 Pulsed Secondary Air Injection
15 Engine Coolant fan Relay 2
16 Ignition Current return
17 Data Link
18 Engine Diagnostic Connector
19 Engine Diagnostic Connector
20 Current Return
21 Idle Control Valve
22 Fuel Pump Relay
23
24 Camshaft Position
25 IAT Sensor
26 TPS
27 EGR
28 PAS
29
30
31 Engine Coolant Fan Relay 3
32
33 EGR
34 Digital Multifunction Display
35 Injector 4
36
37 Engine Control Relay
38
39 Injector 3
40 Current Return
41
42 Octane Coding Plug
43
44 HEGO
45
46 Sensor Common
47 TPS
48 Data Link
49
50 MAF
51 Injector 1
52 Injector 2
53
54
55 Crank Position Sensor
56 Crank Position Sensor
57 Engine Control Relay
58 Ignition Coil 1&4
59 Ignition Coil 2&3
60 Current return
Escort
1 Battery
2
3 Speed Sensor
4 Ignition Control Module
5
6
7 ECT Sensor
8 Fuel Pump Relay
9 MAF
10
11 Emission Canister Purge (37)
12
13
14 Pulsed Secondary Air Injection (37)
15
16 Ignition Control Current Return
17 Data Link
18 Engine Diagnostic Connector
19 Engine Diagnostic Connector
20 Current Return
21 Idle Control Valve
22 Fuel Pump Relay
23
24 Camshaft Position
25 IAT Sensor
26 TPS
27
28 PAS
29
30
31
32
33
34
35 Injector 4
36 Ignition Control Module
37 Engine Control Relay
38
39 Injector 3
40 Current return
41
42 Octane Coding Plug
43
44 HEGO
45
46 Sensor Common
47 TPS
48 Data Link
49
50 MAF
51
52
53
54
55
56 Ignition Control Module
57 Engine Control Relay
58 Injector 1
59 Injector 2
60 Current Return
It's obvious from even briefly looking at the pinouts, the main problems! Injectors 1&2 are in completely different places. Also the CPS is connected directly to the ECU, rather than the E-DIS unit.
Firstly, disconnect your battery, and remove the ecu. Then try and remove the wrapping tape on the part of the loom that enters the engine bay, to the E-DIS unit.
You will need to run a new wire to the ECU from the CPS. I used a piece of 0.25mm 2-Pair screened cable. This basically needs to be run from the CPS right up to the ECU plug, and connected to - Pins 55 & 56. I had some pins from another old loom, with about 50mm of cable still left on them, as I don't have any ECU plug pins, I soldered the wires to these and inserted thepins. One of the pins is already taken up. Remove this pin and leave it out for a minute.
Once this is connected you can swap some wires over for your injectors.
The coil pack centre wire is an ignition live, and the ECU pulses each coil. I used the old wires that were connected to the injectors, cut and connected them to the DIS pack. These connect to pins 58 & 59,(to which they are already connected) they are fire cylinders 1 & 4, and 3 & 2 respectively.
The next cable and pin changes to be done are for the injectors. You will have cut the cables to use them for the coil pack. I used the two of the cables from the E-DIS unit (to which there are four), and connected them to the injectors. These then need moving from their current positions on the ECU plug, to pins 51 & 51, injectors 1 & 2 respectively.
One of the last connections to be made is for the Tacho. You will have had a green wire running from the E-DIS module. It will be the only green wire there, this needs connecting to the blue and yellow wire which comes from the E-DIS unit and goes to pin 4 on the ECU plug. Bell it out to ensure the colours are the same though!
Pin 16 on the ECU needs to be connected to current return ( the chassis ). I used a short piece of wire connected to the ecu, and connected it near the ECU. This is for the internal DIS.
You will end up with one spare cable going to the ecu, to which I put come heat shrink on both ends and taped back out of the way. You will also have an ignition live feed that went to the E-DIS unit. This also needs to be heat shrunk and taped back out of the way.
Once you have finished, wrap it ull up nicely with loom tape, and your done!
I have been running a 2.0 on 105 1.8 management for a little while now (mainly because I'm lazy!) but I only noticed a slight increase in power. It did however make the engine run much smoother.
Hope this helps someone,
Steve
Early Zetecs came fitted with external E-DIS. I have recently fitted a 2.0 to my orion, and wanted to make use of a decent 2.0 Mondeo ECU. All Manual Mondeo's are fitted with internal E-DIS.
For this setup I used a DESK ECU, I also tried a DEWY, while I was at it. They both worked fine. It's worth noting that you will need to change the MAF to a 2.0 one also. The 1.8 one is calibrated wrong.
I will start with a bit of an ECU pinout chart, as I usually do!! There are a few pins I have not included, for instance Air-Con etc.
Mondeo DESK
1 Battery
2
3 Speed Sensor
4 Tacho
5
6
7 ECT Sensor
8 Fuel Pump Relay
9 MAF
10
11 Emission Canister Purge
12
13 Engine Coolant Fan Relay 1
14 Pulsed Secondary Air Injection
15 Engine Coolant fan Relay 2
16 Ignition Current return
17 Data Link
18 Engine Diagnostic Connector
19 Engine Diagnostic Connector
20 Current Return
21 Idle Control Valve
22 Fuel Pump Relay
23
24 Camshaft Position
25 IAT Sensor
26 TPS
27 EGR
28 PAS
29
30
31 Engine Coolant Fan Relay 3
32
33 EGR
34 Digital Multifunction Display
35 Injector 4
36
37 Engine Control Relay
38
39 Injector 3
40 Current Return
41
42 Octane Coding Plug
43
44 HEGO
45
46 Sensor Common
47 TPS
48 Data Link
49
50 MAF
51 Injector 1
52 Injector 2
53
54
55 Crank Position Sensor
56 Crank Position Sensor
57 Engine Control Relay
58 Ignition Coil 1&4
59 Ignition Coil 2&3
60 Current return
Escort
1 Battery
2
3 Speed Sensor
4 Ignition Control Module
5
6
7 ECT Sensor
8 Fuel Pump Relay
9 MAF
10
11 Emission Canister Purge (37)
12
13
14 Pulsed Secondary Air Injection (37)
15
16 Ignition Control Current Return
17 Data Link
18 Engine Diagnostic Connector
19 Engine Diagnostic Connector
20 Current Return
21 Idle Control Valve
22 Fuel Pump Relay
23
24 Camshaft Position
25 IAT Sensor
26 TPS
27
28 PAS
29
30
31
32
33
34
35 Injector 4
36 Ignition Control Module
37 Engine Control Relay
38
39 Injector 3
40 Current return
41
42 Octane Coding Plug
43
44 HEGO
45
46 Sensor Common
47 TPS
48 Data Link
49
50 MAF
51
52
53
54
55
56 Ignition Control Module
57 Engine Control Relay
58 Injector 1
59 Injector 2
60 Current Return
It's obvious from even briefly looking at the pinouts, the main problems! Injectors 1&2 are in completely different places. Also the CPS is connected directly to the ECU, rather than the E-DIS unit.
Firstly, disconnect your battery, and remove the ecu. Then try and remove the wrapping tape on the part of the loom that enters the engine bay, to the E-DIS unit.
You will need to run a new wire to the ECU from the CPS. I used a piece of 0.25mm 2-Pair screened cable. This basically needs to be run from the CPS right up to the ECU plug, and connected to - Pins 55 & 56. I had some pins from another old loom, with about 50mm of cable still left on them, as I don't have any ECU plug pins, I soldered the wires to these and inserted thepins. One of the pins is already taken up. Remove this pin and leave it out for a minute.
Once this is connected you can swap some wires over for your injectors.
The coil pack centre wire is an ignition live, and the ECU pulses each coil. I used the old wires that were connected to the injectors, cut and connected them to the DIS pack. These connect to pins 58 & 59,(to which they are already connected) they are fire cylinders 1 & 4, and 3 & 2 respectively.
The next cable and pin changes to be done are for the injectors. You will have cut the cables to use them for the coil pack. I used the two of the cables from the E-DIS unit (to which there are four), and connected them to the injectors. These then need moving from their current positions on the ECU plug, to pins 51 & 51, injectors 1 & 2 respectively.
One of the last connections to be made is for the Tacho. You will have had a green wire running from the E-DIS module. It will be the only green wire there, this needs connecting to the blue and yellow wire which comes from the E-DIS unit and goes to pin 4 on the ECU plug. Bell it out to ensure the colours are the same though!
Pin 16 on the ECU needs to be connected to current return ( the chassis ). I used a short piece of wire connected to the ecu, and connected it near the ECU. This is for the internal DIS.
You will end up with one spare cable going to the ecu, to which I put come heat shrink on both ends and taped back out of the way. You will also have an ignition live feed that went to the E-DIS unit. This also needs to be heat shrunk and taped back out of the way.
Once you have finished, wrap it ull up nicely with loom tape, and your done!
I have been running a 2.0 on 105 1.8 management for a little while now (mainly because I'm lazy!) but I only noticed a slight increase in power. It did however make the engine run much smoother.
Hope this helps someone,
Steve
And this thread IS a god send!!!
http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/2-...guide-vt58354/
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Cheers Billy, proper help that mate I will look into sourcing a 2.0 engine and go from there. Not sure if its gonna happen, but its somethign to think about as Im trying to convince the wife to sell her Pug 106 and keep the cabrio
Then a slightly modified 2.0 engine would be ideal
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if it were me id be looking at getting a 1.8 130spec engine and ecu, this will be a dirrect swap with your current 1.6 and wont need any fucking about with the sump, waterpump, flywheel, loom etc, itll all just bolt in, and you can connect the ecu up and fire it up (in theory )
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Cheers mate, sounds like an option. Only thing is I want a few more horses, but not sure which route to take for the best gains. I don't want 400bhp, just a bit more than standard.
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depends how much you want to spend to tune it up.
descent exhaust, K&N pannel with maybe bigger pipe feed into air box and a remap would probably see 150 bhp i woulda thought!
descent exhaust, K&N pannel with maybe bigger pipe feed into air box and a remap would probably see 150 bhp i woulda thought!
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the 130spec engine in yours will be only slightly slower than a 2.0 litre lump. ive got an estate with the 115bhp engine and tbh it goes well enough! plenty to get you into trouble anyway!
as said, with exhuast system, airfilter and the emisions rubbish dumped youd see topside of 140bhp on a good engine.
as said, with exhuast system, airfilter and the emisions rubbish dumped youd see topside of 140bhp on a good engine.
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Originally Posted by xr-Stu
the 130spec engine in yours will be only slightly slower than a 2.0 litre lump. ive got an estate with the 115bhp engine and tbh it goes well enough! plenty to get you into trouble anyway!
as said, with exhuast system, airfilter and the emisions rubbish dumped youd see topside of 140bhp on a good engine.
as said, with exhuast system, airfilter and the emisions rubbish dumped youd see topside of 140bhp on a good engine.
i currently drive a 1.8 115bhp focus and thats plenty to get into trouble if your not bein sensible
can have some good fun in the focus though...especially with the lift off oversteer
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That's very usefull!
I was also thinking to replace the quite slow 1.6 for an 1.8 or 2.0 (for the cabby from my girlfriend)
Now I know what to do
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That's very usefull!
I was also thinking to replace the quite slow 1.6 for an 1.8 or 2.0 (for the cabby from my girlfriend)
Now I know what to do
!Thnx
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oh rite i duno if you can help but im putting a 1.8 zetec in a mk4 van and im going to put a xr3i efi wiring loom in but i have a full loom out of a fiesta mk3 witch the 1.8 engine was in running before i removed it, it has pats but with me useing the efi loom all id need to use is the ecu part of the loom but will this work with out the pats part as this wont be pluged in anywhere so cant tell the ecu not to work am i right in saying this if you no.
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oh rite i duno if you can help but im putting a 1.8 zetec in a mk4 van and im going to put a xr3i efi wiring loom in but i have a full loom out of a fiesta mk3 witch the 1.8 engine was in running before i removed it, it has pats but with me useing the efi loom all id need to use is the ecu part of the loom but will this work with out the pats part as this wont be pluged in anywhere so cant tell the ecu not to work am i right in saying this if you no.
You can tape the key and receiver to the ecu and hide it out of the way. The receiver will be near the ignition barrel, I think.
My '91/2 RS1800 is non-PATS, not sure which one it is on that list as it's still in the car.
Maybe this one: Fiesta RS1800 16 Valve 92 92FB12A650DC XEF2FBDC 130BHP
28-12-2011, 09:51 PM
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yeh i have but im not useing the loom from in the car just the short loom from the ecu and then useing an efi loom for the car then just pluging them together.
and sirbuynsellalot
is it a silver top zetec with no pats and do you no condition/mileage and where are you from cheers
and sirbuynsellalot
is it a silver top zetec with no pats and do you no condition/mileage and where are you from cheers
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yeh i have but im not useing the loom from in the car just the short loom from the ecu and then useing an efi loom for the car then just pluging them together.
and sirbuynsellalot
is it a silver top zetec with no pats and do you no condition/mileage and where are you from cheers
and sirbuynsellalot
is it a silver top zetec with no pats and do you no condition/mileage and where are you from cheers
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