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What's going on with saff values at the mo ??? They seem so up and down and vary dramatically.
When I was looking to sell mine before I started breaking it I was after around £5.5 - 6K as the car had a full PJ rebuild to a good spec (£3k old), fully re-bushed etc, etc and mint shell.
Now not naming names but I had approaches from certain traders saying they would buy the car but were looking to offer around HALF the figure I wanted
Now the same people are asking the above type of figure for cars with 100k + miles and limited goodies. I know everyone works to profit margins but WTF is going on ??? As a private seller it seems no one will take a mint car off your hands for sensible mony, but as a trader you can shift anything for anything ???
When I was looking to sell mine before I started breaking it I was after around £5.5 - 6K as the car had a full PJ rebuild to a good spec (£3k old), fully re-bushed etc, etc and mint shell.
Now not naming names but I had approaches from certain traders saying they would buy the car but were looking to offer around HALF the figure I wanted
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Now the same people are asking the above type of figure for cars with 100k + miles and limited goodies. I know everyone works to profit margins but WTF is going on ??? As a private seller it seems no one will take a mint car off your hands for sensible mony, but as a trader you can shift anything for anything ???
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Originally Posted by Ryan
mint cars will always hold there value regardless of the market IMO.
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traders will always say there worth less than what they are
but when the shoes on the other foot, they want top money for their cars.
Just my opinion of course, im sure the joe public are just the same.
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but when the shoes on the other foot, they want top money for their cars.
Just my opinion of course, im sure the joe public are just the same.
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I think you're spot on there mate
I know the traders are doing this for a living, but IMO of course it's just dishonest offering someone shit money for a car and then flogging it for what they wanted in the first place.
What I'm trying to get at is, if people advertise their motors and they dont sell, they then let them go to a trader for a loss and he then sells it straight away for top dollar, seems people are too worried to buy from private folk ?
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I know the traders are doing this for a living, but IMO of course it's just dishonest offering someone shit money for a car and then flogging it for what they wanted in the first place.
What I'm trying to get at is, if people advertise their motors and they dont sell, they then let them go to a trader for a loss and he then sells it straight away for top dollar, seems people are too worried to buy from private folk ?
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my car has big spec on a freg im holding out on mine decided against stripping
i will let somebody else have the benifit off a fast car
but i only want 4500 for it but i still own it
i will let somebody else have the benifit off a fast car
but i only want 4500 for it but i still own it
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ave been lookin @ saff prices & they have dropped alot recently as have rsts!
but sayin that my m8 sold his for 9k last month!
but that was a minter & 500+
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but sayin that my m8 sold his for 9k last month!
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I have never read so much crap in my life,dont come moaning just because you cant sell your car,there more places to advertise then this board which is full of timewasters.good cars will always fetch good money BUT they do take some moving as everyone always takes the cheaper option first and finds scrap when they get there,DONT slate traders we have to earn money off the cars,do you work for free ??as to prices you expect a trader to pay retail top money and then try to sell it again I would like to know how this works as if you cant get 6K for it how the hell are we going to get anymore,think about it.Seems to me a lot of people resent a trader earning money but when the tables are turned and you cant sell your cars your soon on the phone to us wanting use to buy them,make your minds up will you
when a trader buys a car we also have to put right the faults you have failed to tell us about.
by the way I havnt been offered it and if you would like some advice if you asked reasonable money you might just sell it
when a trader buys a car we also have to put right the faults you have failed to tell us about.
by the way I havnt been offered it and if you would like some advice if you asked reasonable money you might just sell it
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Fair enough Pete, you've had you're say. As I said I was not trying to get at Traders directly (I know the topic makes it hard not too however). I fully understand the way you and your business works but was simply trying to make the point that a good car dosen't appear to shift in the hands of a private seller (most of the time) but once sold to a trader for somewhat less of a figure than they expected (or indeed what the car's truely worth, forget fooking glass's guide) it sells straight away and the trader has had the benefit of the profit from the sale and another satisified punter and what has the poor sod who channelled his time, money and energy into building the car got ??? (fcuk all). Also, talking of asking reasonable money, how can you comment on the way I price my car when you've never seen it
again, I don't know if it's yourself Pete, but someone has got a car for sale (4x4 saff with around 120k on the clock) and they want £4250 for it. Now I have no doubt that the car is as good as they say it is, but how can someone ask that for a car one minute and then offer someone stupid money for a car of MUCH higher spec, rebuilt, goodies etc ,etc which they KNOW they can get their money back on by either selling whole or breaking.
I'm all for pricing cars on an individual basis and throwing away the pricing guides, but it just seems to me that the individual will struggle whereas the trader can make up figures to suit.
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I'm all for pricing cars on an individual basis and throwing away the pricing guides, but it just seems to me that the individual will struggle whereas the trader can make up figures to suit.
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seems to me mate your a bit sour because you cant sell your car,thats not my fault or anyone eles,you have to advertise it and not justy rely on this board,you value your car high because you have spent so much money on the engine the thing you dont realise is,it dont make it woth more money,yes traders gets more money for a car then a private individual as we have to make sure the job is right as a private man dont care jack shit when its driven off down the road,you have no idea of prices mate a car is only worth waht someone is prepared to pay to NO a trdaer does not just make up a figure like you state,get a grip man.It not rosey on the other side
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Pete, I'm not sour about not selling the car mate, mildly pissed off perhaps
and I am now putting it back on the road as I am so pissed off with offers of silly money for what is a very good car so will resurrect it and keep it as a standard unfettled minter.
Who said I spent all my money on the engine ? the whole car has basically been rebuilt, shocks, diff, box, bushes the whole nine yards
As for traders not making up figures, how it it then that I was offered a figure for my car within 5 mins of a PM being sent and without having even seen the bloody car, that to me sounds like someone trying to get hold of a car for little money and not giving a sh*t about the individual as long as they make their precious profit.
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Who said I spent all my money on the engine ? the whole car has basically been rebuilt, shocks, diff, box, bushes the whole nine yards
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The world revolves on people buying cheap and selling dear nothing wrong with that at all
If people are desperate enough to sell there car for a lot less than it is worth then it is their own fault for getting desperate in the 1st place not the fault of the person buying it!
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If people are desperate enough to sell there car for a lot less than it is worth then it is their own fault for getting desperate in the 1st place not the fault of the person buying it!
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I think the world revolves bit is a bit strong, but I take your point hence it's going back on the road
and not passed on for pennies to be broken
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All this guy asked about was the value of his car in today's market!!! Yet no one has given him a figure-I'm sure one of you 'cossie experts' should be able to help him
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Originally Posted by Chappatty
All this guy asked about was the value of his car in today's market!!! Yet no one has given him a figure-I'm sure one of you 'cossie experts' should be able to help him
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If he didn't want to continue the discusion then i have no doubt he would have said so
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The market value of a standard Saff is 2k upwards dependant on a lot of variables but the value of aftermarket bits that have been added to the car is really down to who wants them enough! You will not get back all the money you shell out on these aftermarket bits as some people think you will!!
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Originally Posted by Chappatty
All this guy asked about was the value of his car in today's market!!! Yet no one has given him a figure-I'm sure one of you 'cossie experts' should be able to help him
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Ok pete, as a guide what value would you put on this. J-plate 4x4 sapphire cosworth, almost FFSH, magenta, completely standard, two owners, 75k miles, hpi clear, all very straight and tidy.
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Originally Posted by Chappatty
Ok pete, as a guide what value would you put on this. J-plate 4x4 sapphire cosworth, almost FFSH, magenta, completely standard, two owners, 75k miles, hpi clear, all very straight and tidy.
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Ok pete, as a guide what value would you put on this. J-plate 4x4 sapphire cosworth, almost FFSH, magenta, completely standard, two owners, 75k miles, hpi clear, all very straight and tidy.
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Originally Posted by Pete,RS Specialists
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Ok pete, as a guide what value would you put on this. J-plate 4x4 sapphire cosworth, almost FFSH, magenta, completely standard, two owners, 75k miles, hpi clear, all very straight and tidy.
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Originally Posted by Chappatty
Ok pete, as a guide what value would you put on this. J-plate 4x4 sapphire cosworth, almost FFSH, magenta, completely standard, two owners, 75k miles, hpi clear, all very straight and tidy.
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Originally Posted by Pete,RS Specialists
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Ok pete, as a guide what value would you put on this. J-plate 4x4 sapphire cosworth, almost FFSH, magenta, completely standard, two owners, 75k miles, hpi clear, all very straight and tidy.
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Originally Posted by Pete,RS Specialists
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Ok pete, as a guide what value would you put on this. J-plate 4x4 sapphire cosworth, almost FFSH, magenta, completely standard, two owners, 75k miles, hpi clear, all very straight and tidy.
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Pete, Just listen very carefully, my car is NOW NOT for sale for the very reason I have already stated, it is indeed a 2wd F reg with THREE owners and before engine was sold had done 3k on a low comp high spec build complete with new turbo, new AP 4 pots, new tyres, new diff, shall I go on......... this guys saff has 75k on the clock (wouldnt exactly call that low miles me self like) but still. I know what you meant by Retail, I was so amused as that's your retail figure and he will see that and think ''great a good deal, I'll get on the blower to Pete and do a deal, whereby he'll probably be met with a responce along the lines of '' that figure is retail mate, I can only offer you £3250 give or take a couple of hundred after viewing etc, etc )
you wake up and smell the roses pal and offer people honest money for honest cars
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Pete, Just listen very carefully, my car is NOW NOT for sale for the very reason I have already stated, it is indeed a 2wd F reg with THREE owners and before engine was sold had done 3k on a low comp high spec build complete with new turbo, new AP 4 pots, new tyres, new diff, shall I go on......... this guys saff has 75k on the clock (wouldnt exactly call that low miles me self like) but still. I know what you meant by Retail, I was so amused as that's your retail figure and he will see that and think ''great a good deal, I'll get on the blower to Pete and do a deal, whereby he'll probably be met with a responce along the lines of '' that figure is retail mate, I can only offer you £3250 give or take a couple of hundred after viewing etc, etc )
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Pete, what did my last post start with ???
THE CAR IS NOW NOT FOR SALE !!!!, so why would I be bitter and twisted ??? I just find it VERY strange how prices that traders are offering or have offered have SO much variance and the way you assess your selection criterias. I was simply trying to sell the car about four months back and all I got was a load of old pony from traders offering me silly money for a car they hadn't even seen and generally from my point of view taking the piss.
THE CAR IS NOW NOT FOR SALE !!!!, so why would I be bitter and twisted ??? I just find it VERY strange how prices that traders are offering or have offered have SO much variance and the way you assess your selection criterias. I was simply trying to sell the car about four months back and all I got was a load of old pony from traders offering me silly money for a car they hadn't even seen and generally from my point of view taking the piss.
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Pete, what did my last post start with ???
THE CAR IS NOW NOT FOR SALE !!!!, so why would I be bitter and twisted ??? I just find it VERY strange how prices that traders are offering or have offered have SO much variance and the way you assess your selection criterias. I was simply trying to sell the car about four months back and all I got was a load of old pony from traders offering me silly money for a car they hadn't even seen and generally from my point of view taking the piss.
THE CAR IS NOW NOT FOR SALE !!!!, so why would I be bitter and twisted ??? I just find it VERY strange how prices that traders are offering or have offered have SO much variance and the way you assess your selection criterias. I was simply trying to sell the car about four months back and all I got was a load of old pony from traders offering me silly money for a car they hadn't even seen and generally from my point of view taking the piss.
lets hear who contacted you then,and 4 months on the market for sale something wrong there mate
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must admit u seem to be able to pick up very nice 2wd saffs for alot less than 6k nowadays,
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Pete, Don't get yourself in such a state man, I've obviosuly hit a nerve with regard to your car purchasing techniques, I can't remember who contacted me with figures as I put feelers out with so many people, and as for on the market for 4 months it was more like 4 days of all the old crap then I decided fcuk this bollocks I'll just break it, which I started then realised I couldn't do without
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Cossie rep-I've already been offered £5,750 for it! And I'm not a trader, so £6k retail is probably low if anything.
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There you go, a case in fact - someone willing to pay around £6k for a car and a trader will probably offer as said £3k and therefore pocketing 100% profit, not bad aye, I know business is business, but christ why should someone pocket £3k for collecting a car, giving it a wash, and moving it on