Fair enough Pete, you've had you're say. As I said I was not trying to get at Traders directly (I know the topic makes it hard not too however). I fully understand the way you and your business works but was simply trying to make the point that a good car dosen't appear to shift in the hands of a private seller (most of the time) but once sold to a trader for somewhat less of a figure than they expected (or indeed what the car's truely worth, forget fooking glass's guide) it sells straight away and the trader has had the benefit of the profit from the sale and another satisified punter and what has the poor sod who channelled his time, money and energy into building the car got ??? (fcuk all). Also, talking of asking reasonable money, how can you comment on the way I price my car when you've never seen it again, I don't know if it's yourself Pete, but someone has got a car for sale (4x4 saff with around 120k on the clock) and they want £4250 for it. Now I have no doubt that the car is as good as they say it is, but how can someone ask that for a car one minute and then offer someone stupid money for a car of MUCH higher spec, rebuilt, goodies etc ,etc which they KNOW they can get their money back on by either selling whole or breaking.

I'm all for pricing cars on an individual basis and throwing away the pricing guides, but it just seems to me that the individual will struggle whereas the trader can make up figures to suit.