Stavros

Mildly pointless, but cool as fuck

Porkie

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Mildly????

Charlie Chalk

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Why twin turbo? Any spec on it Steve?

JAP CRAP

cool

Rab

Looks like it's compound charged?

Anonymous

Really?

There was nothing in the title to hint at that, well spotted




Nicely done, what a pointless load of old wank

Porkie

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Errrr.... You can tell that by the Thread title without even looking at the pics

Charlie Chalk

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Rab, What crack you on today, Even I knew that from reading the title

Rab

I mean one turbo blowing into the other.....

As opposed to having both a turbo and a supercharger......


I think we don't quite understand what I mean when I say compund charged.....

Anonymous

ah yeah i see, you thought maybe we were thinking it had 2 cylinder supercharged and then a turbo each on the other 2?

Porkie

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Please explain

AMC_XR3i

heres the website look http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/

Theres a few projects on there

*edit*

They've got a 287 bhp 206 gti on there. Not keen on the bodywork but I think the engine work is good.

Garage19

Looks like a neat install.

Not sure how it would go though?

MM_RACING

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Nice

Any more pics - Please

Stavros

just done for the sake of it i think.

but would drive pretty well, plenty low down.

would need some serious water injection or methanol fuel tho to get the most out the power as id say the charge temps are likely to be in excess of 200degC.

intercoolers are pointless as its using the charger as the inlet manifold, jackson racing sty-lee

Rab

No no, on ships diesel engines there are 2 types of twin turbo set-ups.

Split charged, as in 2 turbos, on either bank, or taking half the cylinders each, which each blow into the same inlet manifold.

Or, one turbo blows into the exhaust side of the other turbo.

Anonymous

Its a load of toss with little or no technical merit done for some chavvy show car to LOOK fast.

Anonymous

Fair enough Rab

Garage19

Stop going on about your nova..... this is a ford site!

Anonymous

yeah silly me, who wants a 300bhp mid engined car when you could have a 80bhp pug
(about all its going to make with the enormous pumping losses and charger drain on the STANDARD internals engine)

Stavros

id not call the pumping losses and charger drain with the Cooper S M45 "enourmous" to be honest, esp if its running relativly low speed.

Anonymous

Steven, its a STANDARD 1.4 8v pug lump under that lot, the ALTERNATOR represent "enormous" losses on a % basis, never mind a charger

It has TWO K03 turbos on it too, do you think thats a good idea on that engine?


Load of toss just done to look cool.

Porkie

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Cut the crap Chip and tell us what you really think about it!

Stavros

In many respects, its not as bad as you think.

Almost DEFFO due to the unique (and suprisingly well thought out, abeit possibly by accident ) spec, this car will have more boost pressure than backpressure, which makes engine scavinging hugely better, makes the car stupidly resistant to det, etc etc.
The car will have a lot more power per psi than youd expect, and a lot lower charge temps too.
And STILL got loads of low down grunt.

Still will need some serious water or methanol to make the most out of it tho

Porkie

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Steve.... Read the link again even the company that did it say the TOTAL aim of the project was to make the engine bay look as mad as the exterior (clearly a bodykitted monstrousity)

I really think its just pointless showcar shite to impress the chavs

Standard internals... with all that crap bolted on. Bet it weighs 38.5 tonnes as well!

Anonymous

That was typed with rose tinted glasses on, is it a redline feature car or something?

Anonymous

I think he knows that, but is trying to say that as a side effect they have created something wonderful.

He is wrong of course though, it would be better with just the charger, which can already make FAR more airflow than that engine will want to use.
All the turbos do is add heat, restrict exhaust flow and bring nothing in terms of flow that the charger couldnt do alone.

Also if they try and overfill the cylinders much on such high CR the ignition will end up more retarded than that girl steve posted in the mens room

Stavros

No Chip, i just found it by accident while looking for summat else.

BUT the spec DOES work in the way i described, as I know someone who specialises in twin charged engines and have very detailed explanations of what happens and why, how it should be done, etc etc.

And although that engine is just mad for the sake of it, it will work suprisingly well, miles better than you seem to think.

Mainly as twin charged engine characteristics arnt commonly known, and arnt the same as n/a, turbo, or supercharged, engines.

Anonymous

When you say "twin charged" are you referring to the two turbos or the turbo/supercharger combination?

If it had one turbo and the charger, it would make FAR more sense, and even more if it had low enough CR to allow it to swallow any air without massive retard.

dojj

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it's going to need the turbo's to provide enough power to get the charger to run

or the other way round



totaly pointless, but worth a giggle at least

Stavros

the turbo and the superhcarger chip.

but the 2 turbos (as they both tiny) give it the unrestrictive exhast side that will enable it to have more boost than backpressure, and lower egts and losses than the charger would on its own at that boost.

this in turn means the ign wont have to be retarded half as much as you will think, giving it way more power than youd imagine, and still decent low down.

its not as simple as you think.

they soo did it by accident tho, and still a waste on stock internals i expect, but way better than you think.

Anonymous

Other way round, although thats kind of the point of a compound charger setup.

My issue isnt with the basic principle, its with spending ALL the money on bits you can see on the outside, without the internals to allow it to work well.

If he had one less turbo and a set of forged rods/pistons/headwork that could be a 200bhp+ engine


He could also have the same with no turbo at all!

205T16

It probably is a bit pointless but the aim was to create something different and I think that's definately been acheived. Peiter is the guy who supplied my turbo, manifold and downpipe and builds some very nice cars/engines. His 205 1.6 16v turbo ran a 12 second quarter mile and ran a standard bottom end with a decompression plate!

Rhys

I can creat somthing different 205T16 but its all about creating something different that works imo.

If that car does not push out 300% above std power then its worthless imo

Anonymous

I keep saying it but no one listens, if these chavs want to be different just for the sake of it, grow grass on the roof

Rhys

Innit, anyone can bolt 10million turbos to a robin reliant but making it all work is another thing

Billy_RS

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Why do all that on a 1.4 8v?


Lame.

charlie luciano

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A few good blasts and it will probaly disintegrate oh! and don't go hitting any trees in it


Luciano

205T16

I've just spoke to Pieter and he said it made 175bhp at 1.3 bar but was never meant for power, apparently the customer wanted a "show" setup as you guys say. Pointless but business is business. His comments on power delivery were: "very nice, lot's of torque low down, very flat torque curve"