ALS on Cossie's
26-10-2006, 12:42 PM
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I had it on my Escos and TBH it makes the car feel normally aspirated so slower!!!!...you dont get the sudden bang of boost.
Srious noise and flames though
..although i never left it on long as i was paranoid the car would set light 
....If you got any air leaks in the exhaust the fire will come out there....really designed NOT to have underseal on the car...anything flammable could be an ass
But i am paranoid
Srious noise and flames though
..although i never left it on long as i was paranoid the car would set light ....If you got any air leaks in the exhaust the fire will come out there....really designed NOT to have underseal on the car...anything flammable could be an ass But i am paranoid
26-10-2006, 12:56 PM
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...i had a engine advantages chip and als board on greys..never had a prob starting..get a proper mountune als valve though they can stick and cause high rpm tickover when switched off.
...a housing is put remotely with one connection going to the elbow of the plenum cover the other from intercooler area...*i think thats how it goes*
...a housing is put remotely with one connection going to the elbow of the plenum cover the other from intercooler area...*i think thats how it goes*
26-10-2006, 01:01 PM
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doesn't have to be an issue - have a second solenoid that is a big one for als. the als switch that is used to ground pin x can also switch the power from the small idling iscv to the large als bypass 
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26-10-2006, 01:07 PM
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Never ever had cold start or idle issues even on VERY early 6am sub zero starts.
Mine was very hasrsh so totally transformed the car, felt like a huge capacity V8, mega power the instant you touched the throttle, great on twisty sections of road.
Noise and flames are great, so great I ended up with a 750quid fine
Ill be having it again.
Mine was very hasrsh so totally transformed the car, felt like a huge capacity V8, mega power the instant you touched the throttle, great on twisty sections of road.
Noise and flames are great, so great I ended up with a 750quid fine
Ill be having it again.
26-10-2006, 01:13 PM
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P8 doesn't support both idle speed and ALS, it is one or the other. You need T6 to do both 
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Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
.Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
26-10-2006, 01:17 PM
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Worst mine ever did it cut out straight away the 1st time.
2nd time it would start up and idle perfectly.
Never ever had it idling badly at 600rpm tho.
But thats gonna be down to different mapping etc im sure.
2nd time it would start up and idle perfectly.
Never ever had it idling badly at 600rpm tho.
But thats gonna be down to different mapping etc im sure.
26-10-2006, 01:23 PM
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Mike are you up to speed on my issues
As mike said the P8 can only drive one valve or the other and not both
Phil was yours full antilag or mild antilag? can someone pls explain the difference
Cheers guys
As mike said the P8 can only drive one valve or the other and not both
Phil was yours full antilag or mild antilag? can someone pls explain the difference
Cheers guys
26-10-2006, 01:27 PM
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Best thing I ever did!
Stavros
I still have a video of yours blowing flames out of the exhaust!!
Mild anti-lag and full anti lag are differentiated by the amount of air bypass (controlled by the als valve) and degree of timing retard, controlled in the programming. Mild ALS will still make a difference. Full ALS is simply awesome!!
T6 ALS is just stunning.
Stavros
I still have a video of yours blowing flames out of the exhaust!!
Mild anti-lag and full anti lag are differentiated by the amount of air bypass (controlled by the als valve) and degree of timing retard, controlled in the programming. Mild ALS will still make a difference. Full ALS is simply awesome!!
T6 ALS is just stunning.
26-10-2006, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Mike are you up to speed on my issues
As mike said the P8 can only drive one valve or the other and not both
Phil was yours full antilag or mild antilag? can someone pls explain the difference
Cheers guys
As mike said the P8 can only drive one valve or the other and not both
Phil was yours full antilag or mild antilag? can someone pls explain the difference
Cheers guys
You have the opposite of the luck of the Irish
. In fact you remind me of that Fast Show character 
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26-10-2006, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
P8 doesn't support both idle speed and ALS, it is one or the other. You need T6 to do both .
Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
.Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
26-10-2006, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
As mike said the P8 can only drive one valve or the other and not both
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26-10-2006, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
P8 doesn't support both idle speed and ALS, it is one or the other. You need T6 to do both .
Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
.Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
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26-10-2006, 01:46 PM
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Well it turns out the Pectel monitor is mint and fully working wahooo!
The P8 has blown a chip.. the one that controls the comm's, canister purge and water injection. It was hinted that an incorrectly wired water injection may be have been the problem anyway the board is being repaired so all will be fine
The mountune ALS board can't be swapped to the road friendly version without a shit load of work or a remap so its here to stay so I now need a Mountune ALS valve.. without the ALS throttle housing I can run mild ALS with just the vlave I believe.
I was also told that the 12 postion boost pot I have is now redundent with ALS, not sure if that still applies when the ALS is switched off thou?
Also the fuel pump not switching on problem wasn't the 'kin Wipac.. it was this board as its a WRC spec the fuel pump needs a manual switch or something to make it come on with ignition.. earth to pin 28 I beleive.
The P8 has blown a chip.. the one that controls the comm's, canister purge and water injection. It was hinted that an incorrectly wired water injection may be have been the problem
anyway the board is being repaired so all will be fine The mountune ALS board can't be swapped to the road friendly version without a shit load of work or a remap
so its here to stay so I now need a Mountune ALS valve.. without the ALS throttle housing I can run mild ALS with just the vlave I believe. I was also told that the 12 postion boost pot I have is now redundent with ALS, not sure if that still applies when the ALS is switched off thou?
Also the fuel pump not switching on problem wasn't the 'kin Wipac.. it was this board as its a WRC spec the fuel pump needs a manual switch or something to make it come on with ignition.. earth to pin 28 I beleive.
26-10-2006, 01:47 PM
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I had full pretty wild spec ALS, 23psi held by just revving it out of gear and letting off the gas, 28psi or so on the overrun when letting off throttle from a full boost blast, very slowly dropping a few psi.
That was with a T34.
But even mild ALS what i used to have when on greens was good, its the time from vac to boost that seems to make the bigest difference
That was with a T34.
But even mild ALS what i used to have when on greens was good, its the time from vac to boost that seems to make the bigest difference
26-10-2006, 01:56 PM
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Fuck all wrong with P8 Ade............
It does enough & more! Oh then he'd have to buy a new loom etc, this is a much cheaper option.
Anyway if he was going to change management, my guess would be it would be to T6
It does enough & more! Oh then he'd have to buy a new loom etc, this is a much cheaper option.
Anyway if he was going to change management, my guess would be it would be to T6
26-10-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by foreigneRS
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
P8 doesn't support both idle speed and ALS, it is one or the other. You need T6 to do both .
Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
.Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...
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26-10-2006, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Well it turns out the Pectel monitor is mint and fully working wahooo!
The P8 has blown a chip.. the one that controls the comm's, canister purge and water injection. It was hinted that an incorrectly wired water injection may be have been the problem anyway the board is being repaired so all will be fine
The mountune ALS board can't be swapped to the road friendly version without a shit load of work or a remap so its here to stay so I now need a Mountune ALS valve.. without the ALS throttle housing I can run mild ALS with just the vlave I believe.
I was also told that the 12 postion boost pot I have is now redundent with ALS, not sure if that still applies when the ALS is switched off thou?
Also the fuel pump not switching on problem wasn't the 'kin Wipac.. it was this board as its a WRC spec the fuel pump needs a manual switch or something to make it come on with ignition.. earth to pin 28 I beleive.
The P8 has blown a chip.. the one that controls the comm's, canister purge and water injection. It was hinted that an incorrectly wired water injection may be have been the problem
anyway the board is being repaired so all will be fine The mountune ALS board can't be swapped to the road friendly version without a shit load of work or a remap
so its here to stay so I now need a Mountune ALS valve.. without the ALS throttle housing I can run mild ALS with just the vlave I believe. I was also told that the 12 postion boost pot I have is now redundent with ALS, not sure if that still applies when the ALS is switched off thou?
Also the fuel pump not switching on problem wasn't the 'kin Wipac.. it was this board as its a WRC spec the fuel pump needs a manual switch or something to make it come on with ignition.. earth to pin 28 I beleive.
the water injection was NEVER used / wired up, so that 'hint' is wrong
26-10-2006, 04:33 PM
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My understanding is that currently you cant get a four injector P8 board to run the boost pot and ALS. I believe that you can go to the 8 injector version and run both ALS and boost pot but its more money again.
I have mild ALS combined with lots of power and low weight on the Westfield and it works really well. Map based on the mountune software. Same as mike with the idle speed from cold. 30 Seconds max to artificially hold the revs around 1100 and then idles fine. Thats also on 850cc injectors, not greys.
Must admit we did some low rev mapping and cold start mapping from the original when it was on greys and its made it much better. Not sure how much the more modern 850cc injectors contribute here???? Maybe someone like Mike/Stu can comment??
I fitted a switch to disable the ALS valve separate to the main ALS ON/OFF switch as I was finding the P8 primed the ALS valve into the open position upon ignition and caused the engine to rev up to maybe 2500 straight from cold and until I guess enough vacuum was made to pull it shut again??
In summary, it works well for me in MILD form, but the noise if F*cking loud!!!! Remember my exhaust is maybe only half the length of your cossie oness and exits about 24 inches from my head so flames on ALS and overun can be interesting, especially the daytime when you cant see them to lean away!!!!!
I have mild ALS combined with lots of power and low weight on the Westfield and it works really well. Map based on the mountune software. Same as mike with the idle speed from cold. 30 Seconds max to artificially hold the revs around 1100 and then idles fine. Thats also on 850cc injectors, not greys.
Must admit we did some low rev mapping and cold start mapping from the original when it was on greys and its made it much better. Not sure how much the more modern 850cc injectors contribute here???? Maybe someone like Mike/Stu can comment??
I fitted a switch to disable the ALS valve separate to the main ALS ON/OFF switch as I was finding the P8 primed the ALS valve into the open position upon ignition and caused the engine to rev up to maybe 2500 straight from cold and until I guess enough vacuum was made to pull it shut again??
In summary, it works well for me in MILD form, but the noise if F*cking loud!!!! Remember my exhaust is maybe only half the length of your cossie oness and exits about 24 inches from my head so flames on ALS and overun can be interesting, especially the daytime when you cant see them to lean away!!!!!
26-10-2006, 05:56 PM
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Gareth,
I'd say its nuts! 
Polly x,
was it built as a kit?
Paul,
Ive als on my escort(mild)and it really makes a difference on the back roads on large open circuits like Donny it doesnt make any odds.
I'd say its nuts!
Polly x,
was it built as a kit?
Paul,
Ive als on my escort(mild)and it really makes a difference on the back roads
on large open circuits like Donny it doesnt make any odds.
26-10-2006, 06:05 PM
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ive had als on my cosworth aswell,, very mild setup though 
was great fun though, and works well
anyone got a sticking iscv? one i can mod so i can have also back
was great fun though, and works well
anyone got a sticking iscv? one i can mod so i can have also back
26-10-2006, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by justin.e
Gareth,
I'd say its nuts!
Polly x,
was it built as a kit?
Paul,
Ive als on my escort(mild)and it really makes a difference on the back roads on large open circuits like Donny it doesnt make any odds.
I'd say its nuts!
Polly x,
was it built as a kit?
Paul,
Ive als on my escort(mild)and it really makes a difference on the back roads
on large open circuits like Donny it doesnt make any odds.I bought it with a Cossie engine already in running the usual greens, T34, 205 block etc.
Basically ripped it apart, threw the engine away and had a new 200 blocked one built from scratch with all the trimmings. A reliable 500BHP was the aim. At the same time added all the gadgets like ALS, WI, Dizzyless, Ryan Loom.......The list goes on!!! The most dificult bit was getting a big intercooler in the nose to suit the power.
Really happy with it now. Spent some timing mapping it on the road in the end as it was a pain to do on the rollers and the results were well worth it.
Its a absolute track weapon, albeit a bit of a handful!!!!!!
26-10-2006, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
how drivable is it on the road? 
who mapped it,,,
who mapped it,,,
The final on road mapping was done with a good experienced ex mountune man
It doesnt really suffer from too much lag due to the weight and the power delivery is much more progressive now with the T4. I dont know what power its running but should be kicking out what you would expect from a good proper built engine with all the usual tuning bits, 850cc's and a T4 running around 26PSI. I could turn the boost up but seriously it really does not need anymore and its reliable at that level. Would imagine it produces a good genuine 450 BHP??? But dont care really. At that level it still gives around 650 per tonne!