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29-10-2006, 02:31 PM
#121
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication 
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
29-10-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
29-10-2006, 09:47 PM
#127
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
I was trying to think when it arrived and it could've been 2001/2002!!! In fact no way it was after that!
29-10-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
we hope to see about 430-440 ATW which puts it in the 530-540 dyno kind of area...
That would be rediculous to even the most uneducated person
29-10-2006, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
I was trying to think when it arrived and it could've been 2001/2002!!! In fact no way it was after that!
Chop, so is the blue novar. . the S2 isnt long off completion, well it shouldnt be but it is
green shed shows no signs of movement either
29-10-2006, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
I was trying to think when it arrived and it could've been 2001/2002!!! In fact no way it was after that!
green shed shows no signs of movement either
30-10-2006, 08:09 AM
#131
Euen,
My car had also done in excess of 8,000miles, suffered 50°+ charge temps on the day and had starship gearing (162mph in fourth
.), all of which plays a big part in power readings . At least mine was proven to do 180+mph EVERY time it went to Brunters .
My car had also done in excess of 8,000miles, suffered 50°+ charge temps on the day and had starship gearing (162mph in fourth
.), all of which plays a big part in power readings . At least mine was proven to do 180+mph EVERY time it went to Brunters .
30-10-2006, 09:41 AM
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Christ......... Another ATW power figure argument about AVA........
The only way to take ANY rlling road figure is to get a starting point, and then a finishing point when all your build is complete. Then you can see what you've gained.
For instance, my old old old.. (x9 ) S2 started with 96@ wheels due to the fact the actuator had gone soft.... with that fixed running std boost I made 112 @ wheels
6 grand and 7 months later it made 210.5 @ wheels. Now, I don't personally care what 210.5 @ wheels equates to in flywheel power, I just know I gained roughly 100 bhp over the standard car. Which was fine for me
And I think thats what Euan has done. He knows what he's gained at AVA. And thats all that matters And besides, it's fucking fast. I've had people that have been in it tell me about it while going slightly pale and a kind of green colour (vrrrooom_pishflaps where are you? )
The only way to take ANY rlling road figure is to get a starting point, and then a finishing point when all your build is complete. Then you can see what you've gained.
For instance, my old old old.. (x9
) S2 started with 96@ wheels due to the fact the actuator had gone soft.... with that fixed running std boost I made 112 @ wheels6 grand and 7 months later it made 210.5 @ wheels. Now, I don't personally care what 210.5 @ wheels equates to in flywheel power, I just know I gained roughly 100 bhp over the standard car. Which was fine for me
And I think thats what Euan has done. He knows what he's gained at AVA. And thats all that matters
And besides, it's fucking fast. I've had people that have been in it tell me about it while going slightly pale and a kind of green colour (vrrrooom_pishflaps where are you? )
30-10-2006, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
I was trying to think when it arrived and it could've been 2001/2002!!! In fact no way it was after that!
30-10-2006, 01:11 PM
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Euen,
My car had also done in excess of 8,000miles, suffered 50°+ charge temps on the day and had starship gearing (162mph in fourth.), all of which plays a big part in power readings . At least mine was proven to do 180+mph EVERY time it went to Brunters .
My car had also done in excess of 8,000miles, suffered 50°+ charge temps on the day and had starship gearing (162mph in fourth
.), all of which plays a big part in power readings . At least mine was proven to do 180+mph EVERY time it went to Brunters .my charge temps wer over 40 on my 410 bhp run.
have no answer to the gearbox one
give me a chance to prove my speed...as long as it does 181 im happy
30-10-2006, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EIL132
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
we hope to see about 430-440 ATW which puts it in the 530-540 dyno kind of area...
That would be rediculous to even the most uneducated person
30-10-2006, 01:41 PM
#138
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Euen,
My car had also done in excess of 8,000miles, suffered 50°+ charge temps on the day and had starship gearing (162mph in fourth.), all of which plays a big part in power readings . At least mine was proven to do 180+mph EVERY time it went to Brunters .
My car had also done in excess of 8,000miles, suffered 50°+ charge temps on the day and had starship gearing (162mph in fourth
.), all of which plays a big part in power readings . At least mine was proven to do 180+mph EVERY time it went to Brunters .my charge temps wer over 40 on my 410 bhp run.
have no answer to the gearbox one
give me a chance to prove my speed...as long as it does 181 im happy
. All in the interests of science of course. Pads should be there tomorrow 
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30-10-2006, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Rab, Ive also been in both euans and mikes cars (mikes when it was ava)
Yeah yeah..
My ship has 60,000 bhp so fuck off
30-10-2006, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by Rab
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Rab, Ive also been in both euans and mikes cars (mikes when it was ava)
Yeah yeah..
My ship has 60,000 bhp so fuck off
. As for the ship, no chance.. We're all far too pissed to even FIND brunters
30-10-2006, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
we hope to see about 430-440 ATW which puts it in the 530-540 dyno kind of area...
Thats odd, i fully believe your car is this power @ wheels and fly
but
As i've always been told that, Ava said 100 bhp losses on a 4wd (let alone 2wd) was unbelieveable, as that sort of transmision losses would melt the transmission.
also on previous decussion about this some of Ava's customers said a 4wd car would only have 30-40 bhp losses on a 500 bhp engine.
they dont think my car has this power but quote about 30 hp more for a fly fig but are not intersted in fly figs at all.
im only going by what i have seen on other cars that have been on ava rollers after being on a dyno.
ie mike rainbirds saf made 515 on harveys dyno and 395 ATW at AVA.
Andy Gallaghers escos made 612 on harveys dyo and 484 at AVA.
bear in mind both mikes and andys cars once fitted into the car have restrictive exhaust systems and all other related losses(alternator,higher charge temps etc) along with transmission.
i stand by what AVA say and agree that massive losses thru transmissions are impossible
take from this what you will..
Ok, So you have a 440 bhp/fly T4 cossie set up, thats abit poor then really, i mean 450 bhp was being done on std RS500's with a 8inj mod and a remap in the mid 80's.
As for Mikes car, 515 @ Harveys, - 40bhp for in car fitment, -17% trans losses = 395 bhp/whe, which all seems correct.
Has anyone run a car at a different RR and then @ Ava?
as i guess the power/ wheels will be the same
30-10-2006, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Escorton8's
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Escorton8's
Spot on Euan. looks awsome mate, they gonna make one for me on the cheap??
they will fit it before alan maps your car
Have a word with them see what they can do for me.
Check how much they'l take for mappin etc too
pectel something?
Im just running a P8 with pectel baby board for the 8 injectors.
30-10-2006, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
we hope to see about 430-440 ATW which puts it in the 530-540 dyno kind of area...
Thats odd, i fully believe your car is this power @ wheels and fly
but
As i've always been told that, Ava said 100 bhp losses on a 4wd (let alone 2wd) was unbelieveable, as that sort of transmision losses would melt the transmission.
also on previous decussion about this some of Ava's customers said a 4wd car would only have 30-40 bhp losses on a 500 bhp engine.
they dont think my car has this power but quote about 30 hp more for a fly fig but are not intersted in fly figs at all.
im only going by what i have seen on other cars that have been on ava rollers after being on a dyno.
ie mike rainbirds saf made 515 on harveys dyno and 395 ATW at AVA.
Andy Gallaghers escos made 612 on harveys dyo and 484 at AVA.
bear in mind both mikes and andys cars once fitted into the car have restrictive exhaust systems and all other related losses(alternator,higher charge temps etc) along with transmission.
i stand by what AVA say and agree that massive losses thru transmissions are impossible
take from this what you will..
Ok, So you have a 440 bhp/fly T4 cossie set up, thats abit poor then really, i mean 450 bhp was being done on std RS500's with a 8inj mod and a remap in the mid 80's.
As for Mikes car, 515 @ Harveys, - 40bhp for in car fitment, -17% trans losses = 395 bhp/whe, which all seems correct.
Has anyone run a car at a different RR and then @ Ava?
as i guess the power/ wheels will be the same
30-10-2006, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by EIL132
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
we hope to see about 430-440 ATW which puts it in the 530-540 dyno kind of area...
That would be rediculous to even the most uneducated person
30-10-2006, 08:19 PM
#147
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
I was trying to think when it arrived and it could've been 2001/2002!!! In fact no way it was after that!
30-10-2006, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
get your car out out and ill show you how poor my car is
next year my car will be back on the road, and we'll see what happens
30-10-2006, 08:35 PM
#149
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Lambchop
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Downpipe looks great Euan, Tom's the man for fabrication
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
Cant wait to see what the beast will do
the things he has made/fabricated for the special white S2 at aAVA are unbelieveable
Where does it live? I was there the day it was dropped off! It was mint! Under bonnet was amazing but if i remember right it had a whale tail on it
I was trying to think when it arrived and it could've been 2001/2002!!! In fact no way it was after that!
Im sure the tax disc had 2001 on it
30-10-2006, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
we hope to see about 430-440 ATW which puts it in the 530-540 dyno kind of area...
Thats odd, i fully believe your car is this power @ wheels and fly
but
As i've always been told that, Ava said 100 bhp losses on a 4wd (let alone 2wd) was unbelieveable, as that sort of transmision losses would melt the transmission.
also on previous decussion about this some of Ava's customers said a 4wd car would only have 30-40 bhp losses on a 500 bhp engine.
they dont think my car has this power but quote about 30 hp more for a fly fig but are not intersted in fly figs at all.
im only going by what i have seen on other cars that have been on ava rollers after being on a dyno.
ie mike rainbirds saf made 515 on harveys dyno and 395 ATW at AVA.
Andy Gallaghers escos made 612 on harveys dyo and 484 at AVA.
bear in mind both mikes and andys cars once fitted into the car have restrictive exhaust systems and all other related losses(alternator,higher charge temps etc) along with transmission.
i stand by what AVA say and agree that massive losses thru transmissions are impossible
take from this what you will..
Ok, So you have a 440 bhp/fly T4 cossie set up, thats abit poor then really, i mean 450 bhp was being done on std RS500's with a 8inj mod and a remap in the mid 80's.
As for Mikes car, 515 @ Harveys, - 40bhp for in car fitment, -17% trans losses = 395 bhp/whe, which all seems correct.
Has anyone run a car at a different RR and then @ Ava?
as i guess the power/ wheels will be the same
30-10-2006, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
get your car out out and ill show you how poor my car is
next year my car will be back on the road, and we'll see what happens
not wanting to argue but sure Rods 500 odd bhp engine and mikes 500 odd bhp engines both made around 410 atw at nobles one day....
it depends on who you listen to and their understanding of losses..
30-10-2006, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
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Originally Posted by Escorton8's
Spot on Euan. looks awsome mate, they gonna make one for me on the cheap??
they will fit it before alan maps your car
Have a word with them see what they can do for me.
Check how much they'l take for mappin etc too
pectel something?
you got that fuel rail welded yet?
will speak to Alan to see what he can do with P8..not sure if he has the software?
Sorry for takin forever to get back to you mate.
Im just running a P8 with pectel baby board for the 8 injectors.
30-10-2006, 09:55 PM
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I'm not argueing, just trying to figure who's more accurate about transmission losses.
i can see your/ava's points about heat geration if 100bhp losses, but i also wonder why all other RR's and RR set ups quote more losses.
If a new std 4wd car, ie a evo 320, was put on Ava's rollers, would the bhp/fly be roughly the same as factory spec's?
As in Nissans own spec's for a Jap Pulser Gtir, is 220bhp @ fly, and 150bhp/whe.
i can see your/ava's points about heat geration if 100bhp losses, but i also wonder why all other RR's and RR set ups quote more losses.
If a new std 4wd car, ie a evo 320, was put on Ava's rollers, would the bhp/fly be roughly the same as factory spec's?
As in Nissans own spec's for a Jap Pulser Gtir, is 220bhp @ fly, and 150bhp/whe.
30-10-2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
I'm not argueing, just trying to figure who's more accurate about transmission losses.
i can see your/ava's points about heat geration if 100bhp losses, but i also wonder why all other RR's and RR set ups quote more losses.
If a new std 4wd car, ie a evo 320, was put on Ava's rollers, would the bhp/fly be roughly the same as factory spec's?
As in Nissans own spec's for a Jap Pulser Gtir, is 220bhp @ fly, and 150bhp/whe.
i can see your/ava's points about heat geration if 100bhp losses, but i also wonder why all other RR's and RR set ups quote more losses.
If a new std 4wd car, ie a evo 320, was put on Ava's rollers, would the bhp/fly be roughly the same as factory spec's?
As in Nissans own spec's for a Jap Pulser Gtir, is 220bhp @ fly, and 150bhp/whe.
30-10-2006, 10:03 PM
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What was the factory's quoted bhp?
Also does Ava's RR measure losses, or they just say as a rule of thumb that 30 bhp on 2wd or 60 bhp on a 4wd losses?
Also does Ava's RR measure losses, or they just say as a rule of thumb that 30 bhp on 2wd or 60 bhp on a 4wd losses?
31-10-2006, 01:05 AM
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u cant measure losses - using a rolling road. This is a subject that has been covered a million times before on passionford.
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