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Old 31-08-2006, 08:33 AM
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Default Whats the max can a T34.48 can realistically make?

on a low comp YB? 340 bhp? more?
Old 31-08-2006, 08:34 AM
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If the Shell V-power is as good as it claims to be, then you should be back to being able to make 385bhp / 403lb ft on GREENS, as per my car back in 1998 (7.8:1) .
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on normal fuel?
Old 31-08-2006, 08:37 AM
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Shell V-power is normal fuel (99RON) - it is their Super-unleaded to replace Optimax. However, on light blues, Damo got 375bhp on a 0.48 a/r with the old 98RON Optimax (engine dyno).
Old 31-08-2006, 08:45 AM
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I like .48 T34s. Has anyone done any proper back to back comparisons regarding boost threshold and powerband with T34s, just changing housing from .48, .55, .63 and keeping engine identical spec, with the relevant mapping of course.
Old 31-08-2006, 08:55 AM
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A 0.63 a/r moves the power band up by 500 rpm (inc peak) - and you REALLY notice the difference (worse response for top end power trade off). On a road car, I would want a 0.48 a/r - on track a 0.63....

I haven't tried a 0.55 a/r in a Sapphire 2wd, so can't comment, but in the Escort with 4wd, it didn't feel that much better than a 0.63a/r (probably due to weight etc).
Old 31-08-2006, 09:02 AM
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Anyone know the maximum torque ever wringed out of a T34? And what one?

Over 400 anyhow it seems.

My guess would be a .48 running some kerayzy boost spike?
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Mine was running a 34psi spike at 4500 tailing to 26psi by 7000rpm .

I never ONCE had a 0.48 a/r fail.

Switching to a 0.63 a/r and running a 35psi spike at 3500-4000rpm tailing to 24psi by 7000rpm (ported head etc), these failed every 3 months .

The former was on 98RON and the latter on 97RON......
Old 31-08-2006, 09:12 AM
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i had the .48 and than changed to the .55. No real difference in spool up which is good. Still gives a massive mid-range punch
Old 31-08-2006, 09:15 AM
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Genuinley no difference?

Noticably more top end?
Old 31-08-2006, 09:18 AM
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Mike.. how do you make 385bhp on 370cc injectors?
Old 31-08-2006, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by reality
Mike.. how do you make 385bhp on 370cc injectors?
Coupla turns on the dyno knobs and you can make anything you like
Old 31-08-2006, 09:26 AM
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Other than 'artistic correction' (thanks stavros) or like, 5 bar fuel pressure
Old 31-08-2006, 09:26 AM
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Doubt it all you like, but it was sufficient to do 172mph on four greens. The black-stuff doesn't lie .
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My 385bhp spec was as follows:
7.8:1 c/r (achieved using 4x4 psitons with a 2wd head), standard cams, standard head, but 3 angle valves / seats, L8 ECU, 4 x 803s, Pace RS500 intercooler, water injection, Grp A coil, mapping by Ahmed (using multipliers to get the injectors WIDE open). T34 / 0.48 a/r - 360° thrust bearing, 7° cut back exhaust blades.

Did 12.64 quarter at 115mph / 172mph top speed.
Old 31-08-2006, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Anyone know the maximum torque ever wringed out of a T34? And what one?

Over 400 anyhow it seems.

My guess would be a .48 running some kerayzy boost spike?
Got 428lb ft torque out of mine on .63 T34

Running greys live mapped L8 by MSD
Old 31-08-2006, 10:58 AM
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We took our 3dr to a R/R day at Powerstation a couple of months back & that made 388bhp & 479Ilb, with a T34/.48 light blues on a Harvey built engine
Old 31-08-2006, 11:02 AM
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479lbft?! Fuck me, what spike does that run?
Old 31-08-2006, 11:04 AM
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Rolling roads, you just gotta love 'em .
Old 31-08-2006, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Rolling roads, you just gotta love 'em .
The knobs are eas easy to twist as on dynos
Old 31-08-2006, 11:22 AM
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Don't understand running multpliers to get the injectors going static. Seems pointless to me

Why not just use the right injectors for the application in the first place?
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
....................(using multipliers to get the injectors WIDE open)
Mike, is there not a danger of the injectors locking-up when used as above (wide open)?

I know of two Jap car tuners that say they would not use an injector past 90 - 92% for that very reason
Old 31-08-2006, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Kev
We took our 3dr to a R/R day at Powerstation a couple of months back & that made 388bhp & 479Ilb, with a T34/.48 light blues on a Harvey built engine
in dream land mate esp on those poxie rollers
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...so does that mean i can make 700bhp on this 99ron? ...as we got it at my local..tastes good too
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NEVER use an injector past 90% duty FACT.
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In my experience it's not wise to go past 90% duty cycle.....
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LOL snap!
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The idea was to see just what COULD be done with 803s. I never had any problems despite this:



Car was faultless and as I said, did 172mph. Not bad considering that alleged more powerful cars have struggled to match that, let alone beat it.... .
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So you were just being a smart arse then?

How did you have your water injection setup? Did you run methanol in the water?
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
My 385bhp spec was as follows:
7.8:1 c/r (achieved using 4x4 psitons with a 2wd head), standard cams, standard head, but 3 angle valves / seats, L8 ECU, 4 x 803s, Pace RS500 intercooler, water injection, Grp A coil, mapping by Ahmed (using multipliers to get the injectors WIDE open). T34 / 0.48 a/r - 360° thrust bearing, 7° cut back exhaust blades.

Did 12.64 quarter at 115mph / 172mph top speed.
Would love to have driven that Mike
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Mine 3dr was on a .48, peaking @ 33psi holding 28, live mapped by Karl,that was on Greys.

must say it was a fantastic road car, great punch from it, and not one bit of lag

went out in a mates saff with a .63, was a little laggier, but a tadge better top end.........
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Car was faultless and as I said, did 172mph. Not bad considering that alleged more powerful cars have struggled to match that, let alone beat it.... .
Very impressive Mike.................I cant help thinking that light blues would have been the "correct" choice for that turbo/engine combination.

If light blues were fitted, do you think an extra 10-12 BHP would have been possible?

Just curious - but cant say why
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2 deg throttle with 95% DC? Odd!
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Mine has done a 13.1 1/4 @ 115.59mph using a .48 on a T34

Would of done a quicker time but i can't launch to save my life

My engine peaks at about 22psi on 803s also mine has a ported head.

Steve.
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Originally Posted by Weaver
So you were just being a smart arse then?

How did you have your water injection setup? Did you run methanol in the water?
WI was set at 7psi & + 42°C. Just pure water.

With the Pace intercooler being very poor above 25psi, it was almost always running .


Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
My 385bhp spec was as follows:
7.8:1 c/r (achieved using 4x4 psitons with a 2wd head), standard cams, standard head, but 3 angle valves / seats, L8 ECU, 4 x 803s, Pace RS500 intercooler, water injection, Grp A coil, mapping by Ahmed (using multipliers to get the injectors WIDE open). T34 / 0.48 a/r - 360° thrust bearing, 7° cut back exhaust blades.

Did 12.64 quarter at 115mph / 172mph top speed.
Would love to have driven that Mike
It was my favourite road engine .

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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Car was faultless and as I said, did 172mph. Not bad considering that alleged more powerful cars have struggled to match that, let alone beat it.... .
Very impressive Mike.................I cant help thinking that light blues would have been the "correct" choice for that turbo/engine combination.

If light blues were fitted, do you think an extra 10-12 BHP would have been possible?

Just curious - but cant say why
Charlie had a similar engine, and his made an extra 6bhp with light blues and different inlet cam, plus a bit of a head "tidy", so I think we were seeing the limit of the turbo (on proper 98RON).


Originally Posted by reality
2 deg throttle with 95% DC? Odd!
Why is that odd? The Pectel monitor recognises the hex code in the chip that represents the specific duty cycle, so displays this as a figure...
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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2 deg throttle with 95% DC? Odd!
Why is that odd? The Pectel monitor recognises the hex code in the chip that represents the specific duty cycle, so displays this as a figure...
I mean, under what driving conditions would you ever see the injectors effectively hard-on with practically zero throttle being used? (zero throttle also meaning no boost)..
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Mike he was reading it as the throttle only open 2 degrees.
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Mike he was reading it as the throttle only open 2 degrees.
As opposed to....??
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Originally Posted by reality
.........I mean, under what driving conditions would you ever see the injectors effectively hard-on with practically zero throttle being used? (zero throttle also meaning no boost)..
Mapped in over-run fueling to help cool the inlet valves imiadiately after lifting off the throtle (after sustained WOT) ? ..........
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Rainbird apologises for the delay in replying..Harveys phone is engaged.



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