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Old 16-08-2006 | 08:36 AM
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was going to say that but mark beat me to it

mark, can you give me a call when you got a spare 5 mins please
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Mark wont live map anything unless its on Autronics. I did ask him once if he would map a SECS ecu for me but he said no. Dont blame him really
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yes i did rich, ended up being very cheap after i had to replace the map sensor
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
why am i doing Mike's marketing here?
Because I was at Harvey's all day yesterday helping finish Justin's car off for ND .

However, Simon HAS hit the nail on the head . At the moment, the majority of all the Cossie engine builders have to rely on contracting out the mapping OR buy in aftermarket ECUs, this product means that ANY tuner can now map their own cars....

As to the mark-up, the price difference between trade and retail covers the fact that Joe Public will get a very basic base map that will enable the car to start and run - this takes time and effort to sort out, so hence why it is needed to get someone like Harvey on board. Without him, the product would be useless to an unskilled mapper, as they would have to start from absolute scratch .

It is NOT aimed at people who already have their cars mapped to perfection, it is aimed at those planning to upgrade and now they have an UNLIMITED choice of who to take their car to, as ANYONE who can map (such as Gary and Christian at APT), can now map a Cossie LIVE with this software, whereas before they would be reliant on an after-market chip install, which is not tailered EXACTLY to the car's engine.
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yes i did rich, ended up being very cheap after i had to replace the map sensor
lol,

Guees what i found in my boot the other day? My old map sensor that i changed because i thoguht it was faulty. I expect it isnt acutally faulty, but the wiring loom was. And yes that would have been in my boot when i was at your house too. So all that waitng around for you poor old mum to go and pick up a map sensor was in vain
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i've still got your new/old one here, with the the nipple re-glued.



will put it on ebay, to try and claw some money back
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someone will buy it on flea bay Ryan. Put on the advert 'in perfect condition'
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Originally Posted by madevelopments
Sorry you chose the wrong example, Unless it has Autronic on the box I will not map it.

Mark
good for you, i'm so pleased for you that business is going so well that you can afford to be that specialised
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will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
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Mike,

So will Harvey be able to map P8 anytime soon then? i take it this cannot be too far away.
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
I personally think that coil on plugs should be avoided (especially when the coil-PACK software / hardware is PROVEN). My reasoning is that the temps involved on Cossies tends to kill them (the EECIV ones are notoriously unreliable), and they also need to run special spark plugs as well, which limits your choice.

There is no reason to move away from coilpack in my opinion, so I agree with Karl at the moment, but for different reasons...
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
I personally think that coil on plugs should be avoided (especially when the coil-PACK software / hardware is PROVEN). My reasoning is that the temps involved on Cossies tends to kill them (the EECIV ones are notoriously unreliable), and they also need to run special spark plugs as well, which limits your choice.

There is no reason to move away from coilpack in my opinion, so I agree with Karl at the moment, but for different reasons...
My only experience of coil on plug is with VW's and they just arent up to the job, remote coil pack seems a far better option at the moment IMHO, it works perfectly and just doesnt need changing from.
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
I personally think that coil on plugs should be avoided (especially when the coil-PACK software / hardware is PROVEN). My reasoning is that the temps involved on Cossies tends to kill them (the EECIV ones are notoriously unreliable), and they also need to run special spark plugs as well, which limits your choice.

There is no reason to move away from coilpack in my opinion, so I agree with Karl at the moment, but for different reasons...
sorry mike that excuse if floored
most jap cars run coil on plug set up they all get hot

coil packs are shite when using gas as your carnt run them safly due to wasted spark
looks like msd kit on the way (same as rods) IF your saying coil on plug is shit
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Originally Posted by b19bal
THEN theres the FACT that autronic/dta ect can be used on other cars, meaning you get fed up with your cossie and decide to buy a evo then the autronic can be moved over and mapped by the persons mappper of choice for it
Not true Ginge mate. Autronic ECU for the cossie cannot be put in an evo due to the evo one fitting inside the ECU casing itself. The cossie one replaces the whole ECU and you are left with an ECU to sell
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
I personally think that coil on plugs should be avoided (especially when the coil-PACK software / hardware is PROVEN). My reasoning is that the temps involved on Cossies tends to kill them (the EECIV ones are notoriously unreliable), and they also need to run special spark plugs as well, which limits your choice.

There is no reason to move away from coilpack in my opinion, so I agree with Karl at the moment, but for different reasons...
sorry mike that excuse if floored
most jap cars run coil on plug set up they all get hot

coil packs are shite when using gas as your carnt run them safly due to wasted spark
looks like MSD kit on the way (same as rods) IF your saying coil on plug is shit
At this level of tuning it IS pointless you fat fuck . Stop moving the goal posts - you are using examples of people that have spent THOUSANDS developing their cars, not a few hundred . This is a BUDGET package for the BUDGET tuner and COIL-PACK is all that is required for reliable power. Obviously for NITROS applications, it is believed to be safer, but if I recall, Stu posted up that he didn't believe that an explosion could be caused by wasted spark? (Chip help me out, as you will remember the thread). I personally think that coil on plug brings in further reliability issues in high temperature applications and I think that has been proven .

Phil,
AFAIC - you reap what you sow. Simon's post was a TOTALLY valid point and that can be seen from my reply, so why you felt the need to bring this post down with drivel, I have no idea . If it continues to get out of hand, then I will delete all the irrelevant posts . Also stating that a user doesn't belong here is a good way to get you BANNED - last warning, as anyone who posts here has just as much right as you do (you even have a BMW in YOUR signature ) .
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It wouldbe interesting to read more on coil-on plug system and high teperatures. It seams that most of extremely high powered cars use that system this days, is there any particular reason why COssies would generate more heat under the bonnet?
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mike you blonde fuk

am not slating the system am saying you said dont use coil on plugs due to heat am sure a 1000 bhp skyline get just as hot
expoled plenums is very coman
scottys fezza
bruce reads car in fact martoon rang me up wanted to borrow my rs500 plenum on the saff for him to use to at brunters 3 yrs ago
kind makes sence valves open at tdc lets make a spark while the noz is being injected kabooooommmmmmmmm

althow its a split mili second at hi revs it still can happen
so this is off topic but am just saying you carnt say coil on plug is shit when the do intergarli stuff already

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Originally Posted by Azrael
It wouldbe interesting to read more on coil-on plug system and high teperatures. It seams that most of extremely high powered cars use that system this days, is there any particular reason why COssies would generate more heat under the bonnet?
my point may be we get stu to tell us why its shit if every body using it
the charge time is halfed again so even stronger spark is posable
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mike i leave your post on topic now i started a coil on plug post
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
I personally think that coil on plugs should be avoided (especially when the coil-PACK software / hardware is PROVEN). My reasoning is that the temps involved on Cossies tends to kill them (the EECIV ones are notoriously unreliable), and they also need to run special spark plugs as well, which limits your choice.

There is no reason to move away from coilpack in my opinion, so I agree with Karl at the moment, but for different reasons...
sorry mike that excuse if floored
most jap cars run coil on plug set up they all get hot

coil packs are shite when using gas as your carnt run them safly due to wasted spark
looks like MSD kit on the way (same as rods) IF your saying coil on plug is shit
Brom for your info Rod uses a Autronic CDI and Bosch coils not
My spark disaperd MSD.

Mark
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....yep and Bosch coils ROCK
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Originally Posted by madevelopments
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
I personally think that coil on plugs should be avoided (especially when the coil-PACK software / hardware is PROVEN). My reasoning is that the temps involved on Cossies tends to kill them (the EECIV ones are notoriously unreliable), and they also need to run special spark plugs as well, which limits your choice.

There is no reason to move away from coilpack in my opinion, so I agree with Karl at the moment, but for different reasons...
sorry mike that excuse if floored
most jap cars run coil on plug set up they all get hot

coil packs are shite when using gas as your carnt run them safly due to wasted spark
looks like MSD kit on the way (same as rods) IF your saying coil on plug is shit
Brom for your info Rod uses a Autronic CDI and Bosch coils not
My spark disaperd MSD.

Mark
sorry mark

i was sure when i did rods car other yr it had msn 4 coil thing near the battery
sorry for mis quoting
i have a excuse my brain has been fryed when i was in hospital this yr
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Brom, if you are bothered about the risk of backfires on wasted spare you can always run individual remote coils.
I have seen some jap lads doing this in fact, as they have had the sort of problems mike describes with the coil-on-plug, the probems are that:
you dont have a lot of space for a decent sized coil + insulation
plus also its a very hot environment and coils tend not to like excessive heat


Mike, if your cam was holding the valve open at the point there is a spark it could potentially lead to a misfire if you have enough boost/nitrous its not something ive ever experienced myself though and i know people running some pretty serious power like this without issues, but obviously the dolly suffered from something they attribute to that, seems highly unlikely to me though TBH

Even if there was a spark, the nitrous has NOT broken down to release the oxygen at that stage as its not hot enough so the backfire would have to start first and then the nitrous just exagerates it.

If your car backfires then you have an issue with or without gas that needs solving IMHO
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Brom,
Have one of these .
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
Originally Posted by madevelopments
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
will it loose its memory like the s8 does if not used for over a yr ?
trouble with new products the customers are guini pigs
karl was explanining about me coil on plug set up he not happy with trying a new product out incase it fails and melt my engine or somthing
i fuking hate coil leads there so dated
I personally think that coil on plugs should be avoided (especially when the coil-PACK software / hardware is PROVEN). My reasoning is that the temps involved on Cossies tends to kill them (the EECIV ones are notoriously unreliable), and they also need to run special spark plugs as well, which limits your choice.

There is no reason to move away from coilpack in my opinion, so I agree with Karl at the moment, but for different reasons...
sorry mike that excuse if floored
most jap cars run coil on plug set up they all get hot

coil packs are shite when using gas as your carnt run them safly due to wasted spark
looks like MSD kit on the way (same as rods) IF your saying coil on plug is shit
Brom for your info Rod uses a Autronic CDI and Bosch coils not
My spark disaperd MSD.

Mark
sorry mark

i was sure when i did rods car other yr it had msn 4 coil thing near the battery
sorry for mis quoting
i have a excuse my brain has been fryed when i was in hospital this yr

The "Autrnoic CDi" box looks just like an MSD unit anyway Brom, very easy mistake to make IMHO!
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chipper i havent got issuse with mis fires am saying i know 2 well known cars off here that blew plenum to pieces using gas and coil pack and i heard of loads more
its same as a dizzy rotor arm set up putting leads on back to front firing with valves open slightly it pops and bangs
i rember my mate once cudnt get his cozzy running he used easy start dont thottle body it back fires and shit him self
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Mike that bright yellow thing i doubt is actually his..its a mates to gain entry here

..why on Earth would any one dislike me based on my Internet behaviour ...Its a front...an escape from reality...its called FUN...you on the other hand are just like your attitude on here in real life....stuck up IMHO.

I really dont know why you started on me...its the net and Chip takes it too seriously if he ,according to you,is using tatics that are very clever
From someone who has claimed on mltiple times to hate me based entirely on my actions and words on the internet, thats a very weird stance for you to now take

As for tactics, tactics for what? I personally couldnt care less if you are on this site or not, it makes no difference to me so long as you stick to the rules so why would i need to emply tactics of any type, clever or not?
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Anyway, as the idiots can't keep this on-topic, I have asked Stu to do a clean-up, so that I can;t be accused of any biased....
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Cleaned up as much as i can of fthis topic, now i am off to eat, will actually read and hopefully enjoy it later...
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
chipper i havent got issuse with mis fires am saying i know 2 well known cars off here that blew plenum to pieces using gas and coil pack and i heard of loads more
Then go the same route as Rod and use individual remote coils.

I can see NO drawback in that solution and is what i will be doing myself.


Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
its same as a dizzy rotor arm set up putting leads on back to front firing with valves open slightly it pops and bangs
i rember my mate once cudnt get his cozzy running he used easy start dont thottle body it back fires and shit him self
Its not quite the same as that actually brommy bear, cause in that setup the spark doesnt also happen on the stroke where its supposed to, which must surely make a big difference in the level of oxygen and fuel present, ie its not just from a little bit sneaking in where the valve is open its from the entire previous inlet stroke minus the previous exhaust stroke, so you basically have approx the unswept volume of perfectly matched fuel/air charge just waiting to go.


My belief is THAT is the key thing, i reckon that the cars in question misfired on the previous stroke, if you can stop that happening then i dont think its a risk.
Still worth running individuals rather than packs though just for piece of mind IMHO
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wasted spark and nitrous is ru by 99 % of the fastest street bikes, and they have no probs brom, just a little food for though, and running lots of gas too
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i know how wasted spark works chipper
i did work for work for ford main dealer when cozzy ecoz came out and the fezza xflow with coil pack on
did i boring g training course on it
ford shite

mark i know loads ppl run gas on wasted but there always the risk i guess
i blown evething else up in my past am sure a few plenums may go pop

i only b useing gas at brunters my car is a track car jut a little cheating for a better top speed with the bottle
martooons not happy am cheating thow
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
i know how wasted spark works chipper
i did work for work for ford main dealer when cozzy ecoz came out and the fezza xflow with coil pack on
did i boring g training course on it
ford shite

mark i know loads ppl run gas on wasted but there always the risk i guess
i blown evething else up in my past am sure a few plenums may go pop

i only b useing gas at brunters my car is a track car jut a little cheating for a better top speed with the bottle
martooons not happy am cheating thow

lol
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Originally Posted by EsCosRacer
It really isnt as hard as you make it look.... You wanna tell them about the yellow cursor jumping around showing read access and how we make use of it ??

michael
Ive never suggested its hard, thats a poxy 8k eprom and half of it is bloody empty, we are currently doing 8mb and its ALL full.

But seriously, do you honestly think that colouring in that map with 750 yellow squares is going to help anybody do anything? The only OBVIOUS maps are fuel and spark tables normally, and they are of limited use unless you want to map with the SAME injectors...
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BTW, u still looking for modem dealers ?
Always Mike... Let me know if your interested.
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I actually finally got some time spare to get out and use this software properly this weekend.

It is an absolute joy to use

The cominbation of friendly windows interface and high speed key shortcuts is fucking spot on, and with very little practice you can get very comfortable with it very quickly.

Superb bit of kit
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glad to hear that some of my input to the development was worthwhile chip.

it was originally planned for dyno use rather than in car, so everything was done by mouse but nikola was very happy to accept my input and change the software to make it more user friendly to the end user
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It really has ended up fantastically useable, well done to both you and nikola.

Best thing about how it is now, its SO easy to get to where you want to be on the map and quickly make changes in real time that its not a problem if you want to just map it as its being driven normally rather than try and hold particular load sites specifically, so its really good for very quickly getting to a useful basemap from which you can do the more detailed stuff

Its acutally the easiest software to use ive come accross so far, only the SM4 stuff competes out of the stuff ive used.


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