FAO: any potential RP Labs Users
11-08-2006, 01:58 PM
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FAO: any potential RP Labs Users
Just thought i would give a little update on my ECU and how ive got on with getting it working.
I bought the ECU off Nick Sharpin, it was working fine in his car.
I contacted Nikola (the man behind the product) and got the latest software and an unlock key to use my laptop.
Plugged it all in and......
NOTHING
oops, hmm, must be a problem somewhere, dozens of emails back and forth to Nicola who is a VERY helpful and clearly very knowledgeable guy and no matter what i did i just couldnt get the laptop and the ECU to chat to each other.
Nick (foreigneRS) kindly offered to let me try my laptop and ECU in his car just to rule out a wiring fault.
We connected them up and it worked, but was slightly intimitant.
It seemed likely it was the secondhand comms lead that i got with my ECU so a new one was ordered off of Nicola (and arrived in two days flat, not bad from over in germany i thought!)
I soldered the ford diagnostic plug end onto this new lead, and plugged in it and......
NOTHING
At this point i was really running out of ideas, Nicola had already got me to go through many many diagnostic checks and tests, we knew the ECU worked we know my laptop was working fine and no conflict on the serial ports etc.
In the end in final desperation (despite the fact that continuity tests i had done on the plug showed it appeared fine) i decided that i would completely remove the diagnostics plug from the loom and just wire the comms lead directly to the loom itself with no plug.
I fired up the software very unexpectant, and much to my surprise it started chatting perfectly happily to the ECU
So the moral of the story is, dont trust your 20 year old diagnostics port on the loom if you get any sort of comms error.
My sincerest apologies to Nik at RP labs for the enormous amount of his time i wasted in the end over something so trivial, he really is a tremendously patient and helpful guy and i feel really guilty ive wasted so much of his time over something which was simply an internal problem with a plug on my 20 year old loom.
So then, whats the product itself actually like to use?
Fantastic
Really happy with it, out of all the different ECU's ive mapped on it really is among the best software, it makes DTA and MBE seem very clumsy IMHO and i would say that only the latest autronic (SM4) is anything like as comprehensive and easy to use at the same time as this software.
Im well happy now, cant wait to get the car back together properly (ive been messing around with the dashboard out for some other wiring to do with my alarm) and set to mapping it as soon as Cally is back off holiday to drive it for me while i use the laptop
I bought the ECU off Nick Sharpin, it was working fine in his car.
I contacted Nikola (the man behind the product) and got the latest software and an unlock key to use my laptop.
Plugged it all in and......
NOTHING
oops, hmm, must be a problem somewhere, dozens of emails back and forth to Nicola who is a VERY helpful and clearly very knowledgeable guy and no matter what i did i just couldnt get the laptop and the ECU to chat to each other.
Nick (foreigneRS) kindly offered to let me try my laptop and ECU in his car just to rule out a wiring fault.
We connected them up and it worked, but was slightly intimitant.
It seemed likely it was the secondhand comms lead that i got with my ECU so a new one was ordered off of Nicola (and arrived in two days flat, not bad from over in germany i thought!)
I soldered the ford diagnostic plug end onto this new lead, and plugged in it and......
NOTHING
At this point i was really running out of ideas, Nicola had already got me to go through many many diagnostic checks and tests, we knew the ECU worked we know my laptop was working fine and no conflict on the serial ports etc.
In the end in final desperation (despite the fact that continuity tests i had done on the plug showed it appeared fine) i decided that i would completely remove the diagnostics plug from the loom and just wire the comms lead directly to the loom itself with no plug.
I fired up the software very unexpectant, and much to my surprise it started chatting perfectly happily to the ECU
So the moral of the story is, dont trust your 20 year old diagnostics port on the loom if you get any sort of comms error.
My sincerest apologies to Nik at RP labs for the enormous amount of his time i wasted in the end over something so trivial, he really is a tremendously patient and helpful guy and i feel really guilty ive wasted so much of his time over something which was simply an internal problem with a plug on my 20 year old loom.
So then, whats the product itself actually like to use?
Fantastic
Really happy with it, out of all the different ECU's ive mapped on it really is among the best software, it makes DTA and MBE seem very clumsy IMHO and i would say that only the latest autronic (SM4) is anything like as comprehensive and easy to use at the same time as this software.
Im well happy now, cant wait to get the car back together properly (ive been messing around with the dashboard out for some other wiring to do with my alarm) and set to mapping it as soon as Cally is back off holiday to drive it for me while i use the laptop
11-08-2006, 02:04 PM
#3
You are 200 miles from me mate sadly, so not really very likely to happen.
If you fancy getting a train down one weekend though you can map and i will drive it you want a proper play with it, normally i wouldnt trust a cunt like you anywhere near my car of course but this engine is a temporary one anyway
If you fancy getting a train down one weekend though you can map and i will drive it you want a proper play with it, normally i wouldnt trust a cunt like you anywhere near my car of course but this engine is a temporary one anyway
11-08-2006, 02:07 PM
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chip-3door glad to hear it's finally working
Garage19 did you see the article about it in Performance Ford Issue 232 Tech section? why don't you see harvey at scs for a demo?
Garage19 did you see the article about it in Performance Ford Issue 232 Tech section? why don't you see harvey at scs for a demo?
11-08-2006, 02:13 PM
#6
You know what they say... two cunts are better than one!
And two assholes are better still
We'd probably make a half decent job of mapping your car between us!
Probably not
Probably both have different idea on how to do things and it would end up a total mess, LOL
And two assholes are better still
We'd probably make a half decent job of mapping your car between us!
Probably not
Probably both have different idea on how to do things and it would end up a total mess, LOL
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11-08-2006, 02:17 PM
#8
Jaycos, yes and use a target lambda map for some "better than normal lambda" economy cruising at 15.2:1 or whatever from what ive heard but i really could do with getting a manual, lol
It also does coil packs as well
It also does coil packs as well
11-08-2006, 02:54 PM
#12
So awesome you still arent running on yourslelf mike?
Seriously though great product.
Is it officially on sale yet and if so how much is it cause i keep getting enquiries off people about how much they can get one for etc?
Seriously though great product.
Is it officially on sale yet and if so how much is it cause i keep getting enquiries off people about how much they can get one for etc?
11-08-2006, 03:14 PM
#13
Chip,
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that
) 
.
Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO 
.
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that
) .Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO
.
11-08-2006, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO .
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO
.Just because I wont pay Rainbird tax on some stuff!!!
Now, let me know how much it is!!!
please
11-08-2006, 03:48 PM
#15
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that ) .
Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO .
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that
) .Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO
.You say "intake" do you mean multiple throttles though?
11-08-2006, 03:52 PM
#16
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that ) .
Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO .
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that
) .Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO
.You say "intake" do you mean multiple throttles though?
:
11-08-2006, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that ) .
Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO .
At the moment it currebtly doesn't support 8 injectors (although this will be available next year some time).
Also had it been able to support multi-maps (as required for a roller-barrell intake), then I would have had one on my new engine (as I am going to four 750cc injectors on that
) .Kev,
Prices have been finalised now - but it is more than you will want to pay and is more than the S8, but then it is MUCH better IMO
.You say "intake" do you mean multiple throttles though?
:that is sex very nice
11-08-2006, 04:21 PM
#21
NO, I mean what I say, it has to have the ability to run at least SIX different maps 
.
With individual throttle butterflies like this, the engine has to be mapped at each rpm point for six different throttle butterfly angles for it to work correctly (from part throttle to wide open). This is why the Daz's Dolly wouldn't run with TBs and L8 .
.With individual throttle butterflies like this, the engine has to be mapped at each rpm point for six different throttle butterfly angles for it to work correctly (from part throttle to wide open)
. This is why the Daz's Dolly wouldn't run with TBs and L8 .
11-08-2006, 04:26 PM
#22
Mike, thats not really quite the same as 6 different maps, thats just a more complicated map referenced against more than 2 items effectively, ie its 6 pages on 1 map
Its possible to map it as RPM vs TPS with boost as an adjustment too of course, but far from ideal.
Ive seen loads of people try and run a "normal" map and fail though with TB's its why i always tell people not to bother with multiple TB's on a turbo!
Its possible to map it as RPM vs TPS with boost as an adjustment too of course, but far from ideal.
Ive seen loads of people try and run a "normal" map and fail though with TB's its why i always tell people not to bother with multiple TB's on a turbo!
11-08-2006, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
NO, I mean what I say, it has to have the ability to run at least SIX different maps .
With individual throttle butterflies like this, the engine has to be mapped at each rpm point for six different throttle butterfly angles for it to work correctly (from part throttle to wide open). This is why the Daz's Dolly wouldn't run with TBs and L8 .
.With individual throttle butterflies like this, the engine has to be mapped at each rpm point for six different throttle butterfly angles for it to work correctly (from part throttle to wide open)
. This is why the Daz's Dolly wouldn't run with TBs and L8 .I expect you could also run some sort of hybrid alpha n that swapped over
to full speed density at all wot settings??
11-08-2006, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc300
Originally Posted by SECS
So did we get a final real price for this product yet Mike ?
I know, and you have pm Simon!!
Why is the price a public secret then ...
PM replied
11-08-2006, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Mike, thats not really quite the same as 6 different maps, thats just a more complicated map referenced against more than 2 items effectively, ie its 6 pages on 1 map
Its possible to map it as RPM vs TPS with boost as an adjustment too of course, but far from ideal.
Ive seen loads of people try and run a "normal" map and fail though with TB's its why i always tell people not to bother with multiple TB's on a turbo!
Its possible to map it as RPM vs TPS with boost as an adjustment too of course, but far from ideal.
Ive seen loads of people try and run a "normal" map and fail though with TB's its why i always tell people not to bother with multiple TB's on a turbo!
Better part low throttle control due to the smalled throttle plates???
I'm not sure? Any reason why you are using them mike?
PS never got a chance to say hello at FF... every time i saw you, you had just come in and were sweating like a pedo in mother care so i thought i'd stay away!
11-08-2006, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Garage19
With that in mind, what exactly are the advantages of mutiple TBs on a turbo engine?
Better part low throttle control due to the smalled throttle plates???
I'm not sure? Any reason why you are using them mike?
Better part low throttle control due to the smalled throttle plates???
I'm not sure? Any reason why you are using them mike?
11-08-2006, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
Originally Posted by Garage19
With that in mind, what exactly are the advantages of mutiple TBs on a turbo engine?
Better part low throttle control due to the smalled throttle plates???
I'm not sure? Any reason why you are using them mike?
Better part low throttle control due to the smalled throttle plates???
I'm not sure? Any reason why you are using them mike?
12-08-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by kjc300
Originally Posted by SECS
So did we get a final real price for this product yet Mike ?
I know, and you have pm Simon!!
Why is the price a public secret then ...
PM replied
.Doug,
With the TBs being right in front of the inlets, it is supposed to give a major increase in response
. Obviously with the TB on the end of a large plenum, there are delays in this being filled before the air enters the engine. Same as with a TBs on a N/A engine, it just makes everything almost instantaneous...
12-08-2006, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by kjc300
Originally Posted by SECS
So did we get a final real price for this product yet Mike ?
I know, and you have pm Simon!!
Why is the price a public secret then ...
PM replied
.Doug,
With the TBs being right in front of the inlets, it is supposed to give a major increase in response
. Obviously with the TB on the end of a large plenum, there are delays in this being filled before the air enters the engine. Same as with a TBs on a N/A engine, it just makes everything almost instantaneous...I think TBH you will be underwhelmed at the difference between the two setups personally, but its blind as fuck so who cares
On the subject of the prices, i guess people are just wondering why you dont post them in the thread itself, seems weird that you are being given a good excuse for a bit of free advertising and arent using is i suppose?
12-08-2006, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by SECS
So did we get a final real price for this product yet Mike ?
Why is the price a public secret then ...
Why is the price a public secret then ...
.
Originally Posted by b19bal
how much are they mike ?
Originally Posted by chip-3door
On the subject of the prices, i guess people are just wondering why you dont post them in the thread itself, seems weird that you are being given a good excuse for a bit of free advertising and arent using is i suppose?
My original question wasnt asking too much - Was it ?
I have enquired as has someone else and you do trade on this website so
I dont think its unreasonable for you to tell us all exactly how much this
will cost people - You do for other products you sell. !
Thanks in advance