Israel and Lebanon what do you all think
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23-07-2006, 08:01 PM
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WW3? bollocks 
Look at the past, Israel is more than capable of kicking the entire Middle Easts ass all on its own, like it did in 1967 and 1973, even more capable now as it learnt from its mistakes.
Best fighting force for its size in the world.
Nobodys a winner in their wars TBH. Some Arabs hate the Israilis and wont ever stop attacking them till they didnt exist, even after theyve gave back parts of Lebanon etc they took in the 1973 war (which they didnt start anyhow), as the entire country of Israel is made from bits of their own countries taken from them by the Allies after WW2 for somewhere for the Jews to live.
Hezbollah attack Isreal, innocent people die. They wont ever stop doing this, as above.
Isreal attack back, and its impossible to do so without innocent people dying, not least as Hezbollah are all over the citys in Lebanon, and part of the goverment.
Innocent Lebanese people die, so Hezbollah carry on, and so on and so forth.
If you could convince Hezbollah (and similar folk) to stop attacking Israel completly and everyone go back to WW2 spec borders, then it could all stop, but the chances of that is almost zero.
Only way thatd stop is if Hezbollah was as good as destroyed, and thatd mean carnage, and not stop revenge attacks in general.
That may calm things down after a LOT of killing (so not ideal at all), but then that may anger the other countries enough to start another war with Isreal.
I think Isreal would be totally happy with their original borders if there was no attacks, and all the Arab countries might not be too happy, but cause there wouldnt be a war, theyd live with it.
BUT without Isreal occupying the whole of Lebanon its unlikely that there would be no attacks, and if they did that the other Arab countries would be fucked off, so you cant win.
It will NEVER totally stop over there IMO unless either Isreal totally mullers the entire middle east, or Israel gets totally destoyed themselfs.
And realisticly, neither will happen. So this stuff will happen for ever.
This same stuff has been happening on varying scales since the end of WW2.
(Obv USA isnt massivley unhappy about it all, as it means they have a fighting partner out there, but dont be so stupid as to think its down to the USA, but they wont do much to stop it, as its to their advantage)
Look at the past, Israel is more than capable of kicking the entire Middle Easts ass all on its own, like it did in 1967 and 1973, even more capable now as it learnt from its mistakes.
Best fighting force for its size in the world.
Nobodys a winner in their wars TBH. Some Arabs hate the Israilis and wont ever stop attacking them till they didnt exist, even after theyve gave back parts of Lebanon etc they took in the 1973 war (which they didnt start anyhow), as the entire country of Israel is made from bits of their own countries taken from them by the Allies after WW2 for somewhere for the Jews to live.
Hezbollah attack Isreal, innocent people die. They wont ever stop doing this, as above.
Isreal attack back, and its impossible to do so without innocent people dying, not least as Hezbollah are all over the citys in Lebanon, and part of the goverment.
Innocent Lebanese people die, so Hezbollah carry on, and so on and so forth.
If you could convince Hezbollah (and similar folk) to stop attacking Israel completly and everyone go back to WW2 spec borders, then it could all stop, but the chances of that is almost zero.
Only way thatd stop is if Hezbollah was as good as destroyed, and thatd mean carnage, and not stop revenge attacks in general.
That may calm things down after a LOT of killing (so not ideal at all), but then that may anger the other countries enough to start another war with Isreal.
I think Isreal would be totally happy with their original borders if there was no attacks, and all the Arab countries might not be too happy, but cause there wouldnt be a war, theyd live with it.
BUT without Isreal occupying the whole of Lebanon its unlikely that there would be no attacks, and if they did that the other Arab countries would be fucked off, so you cant win.
It will NEVER totally stop over there IMO unless either Isreal totally mullers the entire middle east, or Israel gets totally destoyed themselfs.
And realisticly, neither will happen. So this stuff will happen for ever.
This same stuff has been happening on varying scales since the end of WW2.
(Obv USA isnt massivley unhappy about it all, as it means they have a fighting partner out there, but dont be so stupid as to think its down to the USA, but they wont do much to stop it, as its to their advantage)
23-07-2006, 08:11 PM
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Steve only reason Isreal kicked there arse in those Middle East is because Isreal has all up todate Tanks/Aircraft etc thanks there best freind! While all the Arab countries have out dated load of crap for tanks etc. Isreal is a poor ish country and could never afford the army they have if it wasnt for the US.
IMO they are all as bad as each other out there!!
IMO they are all as bad as each other out there!!
23-07-2006, 08:18 PM
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There will never be peace in the Middle east unless its all wiped out completely and start a freah and that aint gonna happen
dunno why people make fuss over war and fighting.. They bang on like its some new thing that we have started to do cos of power and weapons etc. Humans have always fought and always will...its a way of life it is just that instead of clubs and stones or Bows and arrows it is on a bigger scale with weapons of mass destruction etc.....thats why the relatively sane countries like US and UK need to keep an eye on not so sane countries like Iran and Korea and keep them in check so to speak...
Let em fight as long as we are safe in this country im happy tbh....
dunno why people make fuss over war and fighting.. They bang on like its some new thing that we have started to do cos of power and weapons etc. Humans have always fought and always will...its a way of life it is just that instead of clubs and stones or Bows and arrows it is on a bigger scale with weapons of mass destruction etc.....thats why the relatively sane countries like US and UK need to keep an eye on not so sane countries like Iran and Korea and keep them in check so to speak...
Let em fight as long as we are safe in this country im happy tbh....
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Re: Israel and Lebanon what do you all think
Originally Posted by Captain Mike
Whats your veiws on this subject,
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23-07-2006, 08:42 PM
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Isreal r the usa,big buisness and banks run the us,with plenty of jews holding the top positions
as for the situation with the middle east if there was no oil no one would care
as for the situation with the middle east if there was no oil no one would care
23-07-2006, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
WW3? bollocks
Look at the past, Israel is more than capable of kicking the entire Middle Easts ass all on its own, like it did in 1967 and 1973, even more capable now as it learnt from its mistakes.
Best fighting force for its size in the world.
Nobodys a winner in their wars TBH. Some Arabs hate the Israilis and wont ever stop attacking them till they didnt exist, even after theyve gave back parts of Lebanon etc they took in the 1973 war (which they didnt start anyhow), as the entire country of Israel is made from bits of their own countries taken from them by the Allies after WW2 for somewhere for the Jews to live.
Hezbollah attack Isreal, innocent people die. They wont ever stop doing this, as above.
Isreal attack back, and its impossible to do so without innocent people dying, not least as Hezbollah are all over the citys in Lebanon, and part of the goverment.
Innocent Lebanese people die, so Hezbollah carry on, and so on and so forth.
If you could convince Hezbollah (and similar folk) to stop attacking Israel completly and everyone go back to WW2 spec borders, then it could all stop, but the chances of that is almost zero.
Only way thatd stop is if Hezbollah was as good as destroyed, and thatd mean carnage, and not stop revenge attacks in general.
That may calm things down after a LOT of killing (so not ideal at all), but then that may anger the other countries enough to start another war with Isreal.
I think Isreal would be totally happy with their original borders if there was no attacks, and all the Arab countries might not be too happy, but cause there wouldnt be a war, theyd live with it.
BUT without Isreal occupying the whole of Lebanon its unlikely that there would be no attacks, and if they did that the other Arab countries would be fucked off, so you cant win.
It will NEVER totally stop over there IMO unless either Isreal totally mullers the entire middle east, or Israel gets totally destoyed themselfs.
And realisticly, neither will happen. So this stuff will happen for ever.
This same stuff has been happening on varying scales since the end of WW2.
(Obv USA isnt massivley unhappy about it all, as it means they have a fighting partner out there, but dont be so stupid as to think its down to the USA, but they wont do much to stop it, as its to their advantage)
Look at the past, Israel is more than capable of kicking the entire Middle Easts ass all on its own, like it did in 1967 and 1973, even more capable now as it learnt from its mistakes.
Best fighting force for its size in the world.
Nobodys a winner in their wars TBH. Some Arabs hate the Israilis and wont ever stop attacking them till they didnt exist, even after theyve gave back parts of Lebanon etc they took in the 1973 war (which they didnt start anyhow), as the entire country of Israel is made from bits of their own countries taken from them by the Allies after WW2 for somewhere for the Jews to live.
Hezbollah attack Isreal, innocent people die. They wont ever stop doing this, as above.
Isreal attack back, and its impossible to do so without innocent people dying, not least as Hezbollah are all over the citys in Lebanon, and part of the goverment.
Innocent Lebanese people die, so Hezbollah carry on, and so on and so forth.
If you could convince Hezbollah (and similar folk) to stop attacking Israel completly and everyone go back to WW2 spec borders, then it could all stop, but the chances of that is almost zero.
Only way thatd stop is if Hezbollah was as good as destroyed, and thatd mean carnage, and not stop revenge attacks in general.
That may calm things down after a LOT of killing (so not ideal at all), but then that may anger the other countries enough to start another war with Isreal.
I think Isreal would be totally happy with their original borders if there was no attacks, and all the Arab countries might not be too happy, but cause there wouldnt be a war, theyd live with it.
BUT without Isreal occupying the whole of Lebanon its unlikely that there would be no attacks, and if they did that the other Arab countries would be fucked off, so you cant win.
It will NEVER totally stop over there IMO unless either Isreal totally mullers the entire middle east, or Israel gets totally destoyed themselfs.
And realisticly, neither will happen. So this stuff will happen for ever.
This same stuff has been happening on varying scales since the end of WW2.
(Obv USA isnt massivley unhappy about it all, as it means they have a fighting partner out there, but dont be so stupid as to think its down to the USA, but they wont do much to stop it, as its to their advantage)
May be silly question time here, but what has all this actually blown up over ? What's been the pivotal 'act' to start all the recent bombings ? I have to say this has all gone over my head a tad..............
23-07-2006, 08:53 PM
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Why is this such a big thing when you consider that some african nations have been at war for years....... 
Did you see alll the people in england protesting against the war.........
what the fuck, they dont give a flying fuck that this country is going down the pan, but care more about a war in another country........
I DONT CARE......................
Did you see alll the people in england protesting against the war.........
what the fuck, they dont give a flying fuck that this country is going down the pan, but care more about a war in another country........
I DONT CARE......................
23-07-2006, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhys
Steve only reason Isreal kicked there arse in those Middle East is because Isreal has all up todate Tanks/Aircraft etc thanks there best freind! While all the Arab countries have out dated load of crap for tanks etc. Isreal is a poor ish country and could never afford the army they have if it wasnt for the US.
Its not Formula1 here, no homologation rules in war
And thats not really true about the standard of equipment either, theyve only had an advantage lately, from the start of Israel in the late 40s (where all they had was old WW2 fighter donated to them by countries that didnt want em anymore), till the mid 70s, theyve been at a disadvantage, equipment and numbers, then it evened out, and only got better equipment than the rest in the mid/late 80s, and still massivley down on numbers.
Russia was arming Israels enemys to their eyeballs with all the top stuff, always has done, as its in their interests, as it was a big part of the Cold War.
These days America dont give em much anyhow, the most modern Israili Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Electronics, Aeroplanes, etc etc are all made and designed in the country, made for their exact requirments, rather than adapting another countrys stuff.
Reason Israel always kicked ass was cause of amzing skill and tactics, mainly their Air Force and Commandos, hence why they about the most repsected fighting force in the world.
Just noticed some good shit here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-28_Air_Battle (28 versus 2 FFS
)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Sheet
A lot of their stuff would make suuuuch cool Action Movies I reckon too, its not just Arnie who can take on a million people single handed and kick ass
The only documented successful emergency landing of an F-15 with one wing was an Israeli pilot, the other torn off after an airborne collision with an A-4 Skyhawk. McDonnell-Douglas, the F-15 Manufacturer, refused to believe it was possible to do that until photos of the incident were shown.
Also, during the Cold War the Soviet Union held close relationships with the Arab nations. On July 30, 1970 the tension peaked: An IAF ambush resulted in a large scale air brawl between IAF planes and MiGs flown by Soviet pilots five MiGs were shot down, while the IAF suffered no losses.
1982 Lebanon War: The destruction of the entire Soviet supplied Syrian air-defence system in Lebanon within a few hours without a single warplane lost; Syria with the help of the U.S.S.R built up an overlapping network of surface-to-air missiles. Also the IAF states it achieved in dogfights a total of 80 Syrian planes shoot-downs, without a single Israeli plane being shot down.
June 5, 1967 the Six Day War: The destruction of the entire Egyptian air-force within 3 hours. By the end of the day the Syrian and Jordanian air forces were wiped out as well. The IAF shoot-down total at the end of the war was a claimed record of 451 enemy aircraft downed versus of its own ten downed.
The IAF holds world records respective to the amounts of enemy warplanes shoot-downs, air combat performance, special operations, and air to ground operations.
September 26, 1969: IAF Super Frelon and CH-53 Sikorski helicopters carry paratroopers in a raid to "hijack" and airlift back an advanced Soviet P-12 radar deployed in Egypt near Suez. A Ch-53 Helicopter carried the 4 ton radar back, tethered under it.
And that ends Steves boring military/history lesson
23-07-2006, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr S1
Steve
May be silly question time here, but what has all this actually blown up over ? What's been the pivotal 'act' to start all the recent bombings ? I have to say this has all gone over my head a tad..............
May be silly question time here, but what has all this actually blown up over ? What's been the pivotal 'act' to start all the recent bombings ? I have to say this has all gone over my head a tad..............
Only this time Isreal has decided, that they want there lads back and aint gonna stop till they get em
My own personal view is, I can't blame the likes of hezbolla and hamaz, I don't personally think of them as terrorists in the same way as Al Quida, I know I would fight like fook if someone invaded my country, and at the end of the day, thats what Isreal has done. Isreal is more or less Palestine.
Despite what many people think USA aint the puppet masters here, they are the puppets, most of the big Business in the states is Jewish, and they pull the political strings, Isreal is supplied by the USA and know that if the shit hits the fan, Uncle Sam will send in the cavelry...
As for WW3? I think we've been in WW3 for Ages...
If you like reading, get a book called 'The War in 2020' it was writen by an Ex British Army Major, and he's pretty much predicted everything thats happend since 9/11, it makes for very erey reading...
23-07-2006, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SECS
Steve,
Are you competing with Billabong to be the human form of google
Are you competing with Billabong to be the human form of google
If you aksed me about the IRA and that kind of stuff, id honestly have no idea, never known about all that, and that was on our doorstep really.
Just know about this certain conflict.
23-07-2006, 09:39 PM
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Theres allways one fool who bring OIL into it
Ill educated
Its RELIGION...nothing more nothing less. Over a poxy bit of land that the farytale book bible said belonged to Israel...but the arabs dont agree
Ill educated
Its RELIGION...nothing more nothing less. Over a poxy bit of land that the farytale book bible said belonged to Israel...but the arabs dont agree
23-07-2006, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by aduz
they are both as bad as each other....and it will never get sorted imo
23-07-2006, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GTechR
Originally Posted by aduz
they are both as bad as each other....and it will never get sorted imo
23-07-2006, 10:00 PM
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Mate, if I was put in charge, I'd nerve gas half the world in a second.....
Or are you really hoping to be historys greatest monster, putting the likes of Hitler and PolPot to shame
I think not
23-07-2006, 10:37 PM
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how about just wipe out Israelis there such pussys as they are at war with a weak unstable country hope Iran steps in and wipes out the usa and Israel
24-07-2006, 10:36 AM
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of course stuff like this doesn't help.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...politicsNews-3
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...politicsNews-3
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, The New York Times reported on Saturday.
Citing U.S. officials who spoke on Friday on condition of anonymity, the Times said the decision to ship the weapons quickly came after relatively little debate within the administration, and noted in its report that its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others who could perceive Washington as aiding Israel in the manner that Iran has armed Hezbollah.
The munitions are actually part of a multimillion-dollar arms-sale package approved last year which Israel is able to tap when it needs to, the officials told the Times. But some military officers said the request for expedited delivery was unusual and indicated that Israel has many targets it plans to hit in Lebanon.
The arms shipment has not been announced publicly. The officials who described the administration's decision to rush the munitions included employees of two government agencies, one of whom described the shipment as just one example of a broad array of armaments that the United States has long provided Israel, the Times said.
Cont........
Citing U.S. officials who spoke on Friday on condition of anonymity, the Times said the decision to ship the weapons quickly came after relatively little debate within the administration, and noted in its report that its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others who could perceive Washington as aiding Israel in the manner that Iran has armed Hezbollah.
The munitions are actually part of a multimillion-dollar arms-sale package approved last year which Israel is able to tap when it needs to, the officials told the Times. But some military officers said the request for expedited delivery was unusual and indicated that Israel has many targets it plans to hit in Lebanon.
The arms shipment has not been announced publicly. The officials who described the administration's decision to rush the munitions included employees of two government agencies, one of whom described the shipment as just one example of a broad array of armaments that the United States has long provided Israel, the Times said.
Cont........
24-07-2006, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Mike
Whats your veiws on this subject,
Mike
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so evaquate as many people as poss leave let them blow the shit out of each other , why start another iraq war where the people where happy pulling down statues one min then suicide bombing and kidnap the next
24-07-2006, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
of course stuff like this doesn't help.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...politicsNews-3
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...politicsNews-3
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, The New York Times reported on Saturday.
Citing U.S. officials who spoke on Friday on condition of anonymity, the Times said the decision to ship the weapons quickly came after relatively little debate within the administration, and noted in its report that its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others who could perceive Washington as aiding Israel in the manner that Iran has armed Hezbollah.
The munitions are actually part of a multimillion-dollar arms-sale package approved last year which Israel is able to tap when it needs to, the officials told the Times. But some military officers said the request for expedited delivery was unusual and indicated that Israel has many targets it plans to hit in Lebanon.
The arms shipment has not been announced publicly. The officials who described the administration's decision to rush the munitions included employees of two government agencies, one of whom described the shipment as just one example of a broad array of armaments that the United States has long provided Israel, the Times said.
Cont........
Citing U.S. officials who spoke on Friday on condition of anonymity, the Times said the decision to ship the weapons quickly came after relatively little debate within the administration, and noted in its report that its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others who could perceive Washington as aiding Israel in the manner that Iran has armed Hezbollah.
The munitions are actually part of a multimillion-dollar arms-sale package approved last year which Israel is able to tap when it needs to, the officials told the Times. But some military officers said the request for expedited delivery was unusual and indicated that Israel has many targets it plans to hit in Lebanon.
The arms shipment has not been announced publicly. The officials who described the administration's decision to rush the munitions included employees of two government agencies, one of whom described the shipment as just one example of a broad array of armaments that the United States has long provided Israel, the Times said.
Cont........
Originally Posted by GTechR
Despite what many people think USA aint the puppet masters here, they are the puppets, most of the big Business in the states is Jewish, and they pull the political strings, Isreal is supplied by the USA and know that if the shit hits the fan, Uncle Sam will send in the cavelry...
24-07-2006, 04:24 PM
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I really don't want to take sides in this conflict because I don't know enough about it but I have thought for years now that Israel is starting to behave a bit like the Nazi state, doing things like hitting civilian instead of military targets, occupying land for years, putting up that monstrous wall, etc. and if anyone should know how wrong that behaviour is and where it leads they should.
They always pipe up about other countries ignoring UN resolutions but I think I'm right in saying they have the most resolutions against them and unimplemented but no-one ever wants to criticise them.
If the allies hadn't meddled after WW2 and created the modern Israel I do think the world would be no worse off.
Hezbollah or whoever firing rockets across the border is bad too, but if you look at Israel as an invader they will see themselves as freedom fighters, not terrorists. Who reckons the French resistance were bad guys?
They always pipe up about other countries ignoring UN resolutions but I think I'm right in saying they have the most resolutions against them and unimplemented but no-one ever wants to criticise them.
If the allies hadn't meddled after WW2 and created the modern Israel I do think the world would be no worse off.
Hezbollah or whoever firing rockets across the border is bad too, but if you look at Israel as an invader they will see themselves as freedom fighters, not terrorists. Who reckons the French resistance were bad guys?
24-07-2006, 04:39 PM
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Obviously Kim Jong-il is behind it all
On a serious note, I think the Isralis were just waiting for an excuse to do this, knowing that America wasn't going to make much of a fuss any more, like they would have in the Clinton era.
Since 9/11 and the voting in of a military organisation in Palestine, I don't think the Americans have any qualms whatsover in letting Israel do what they want - they probably think 'at least it saves us a job in the future'.
Arab countries who don't make friends with Israel and America, are basically shooting themselves in the foot. I firmly believe the Palestinians/Syrians would have most of their land back and be quite prosperous and fair nations, if they just forgot the past and gave up on the notion of biblical law, and threw the militants out. But unfortunately due to the regimes such as the ones they have, there will always be war - anyone who has seen or read 1984 may understand that such regimes need war just to be able to stay in power, but they can't be seen to wage war directly, so just fund and harbour other groups instead.
Just like Iranians are brainwashed into believing America is the enemy. Totally insane. Imagine if Americans were brainwashed into believeing Iran was the enemy - Iran would not even exist anymore. The regime does it to stop the people taking a closer look at what their own leaders do.
I know many Iranian people - they all have stories to tell of how shitty the regime is. For example, someone who plays for the national team may go to the olympics, and unfortunately have to play against America. If they lose, they face a week in jail upon return to Iran. An Iranian friend of mine once said 'they are very good at killing people' - and he was talking about your everyday policeman and local goings on, just everyday life with the Iranian regime.
Thank goodness we all live in civilised countries, even if they are slowly going to the dogs!
On a serious note, I think the Isralis were just waiting for an excuse to do this, knowing that America wasn't going to make much of a fuss any more, like they would have in the Clinton era.
Since 9/11 and the voting in of a military organisation in Palestine, I don't think the Americans have any qualms whatsover in letting Israel do what they want - they probably think 'at least it saves us a job in the future'.
Arab countries who don't make friends with Israel and America, are basically shooting themselves in the foot. I firmly believe the Palestinians/Syrians would have most of their land back and be quite prosperous and fair nations, if they just forgot the past and gave up on the notion of biblical law, and threw the militants out. But unfortunately due to the regimes such as the ones they have, there will always be war - anyone who has seen or read 1984 may understand that such regimes need war just to be able to stay in power, but they can't be seen to wage war directly, so just fund and harbour other groups instead.
Just like Iranians are brainwashed into believing America is the enemy. Totally insane. Imagine if Americans were brainwashed into believeing Iran was the enemy - Iran would not even exist anymore. The regime does it to stop the people taking a closer look at what their own leaders do.
I know many Iranian people - they all have stories to tell of how shitty the regime is. For example, someone who plays for the national team may go to the olympics, and unfortunately have to play against America. If they lose, they face a week in jail upon return to Iran. An Iranian friend of mine once said 'they are very good at killing people' - and he was talking about your everyday policeman and local goings on, just everyday life with the Iranian regime.
Thank goodness we all live in civilised countries, even if they are slowly going to the dogs!
24-07-2006, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Iain Mac
I have thought for years now that Israel is starting to behave a bit like the Nazi state, doing things like hitting civilian instead of military targets
Wasnt just the Nazis bombing civilians tho
Originally Posted by Iain Mac
occupying land for years
Originally Posted by Iain Mac
putting up that monstrous wall
24-07-2006, 05:00 PM
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From what i've seen / read / heard i think the best bet is for the UK to turn a VERY blind eye to what Israel are doing, its not our battle, lets NOT get involved, but big up to Israel, let em sort it
24-07-2006, 05:13 PM
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I wasn't referring to their bombing campaign, but things like bulldozing peoples homes as a punishment. Shooting the child sheltering in his fathers arms, killing the British peace worker, and so many other examples including the sinking of the Greenpeace ship in New Zealand. The Rainbow Warrior was a REAL threat to their security, loaded with beardy hippies in sandals - crikey, someone might have mistaken them for a whole load of Christs!
They were given their country, then fought a war in 1967 and occupied the west bank. Not many other occupying forces have stayed that long apart perhaps from the allies in Germany and Japan!
Fair point about the Berlin wall, but the Nazis created enclosed ghettos in lots of cities, like Warsaw.
I wasn't referring to their bombing campaign, but things like bulldozing peoples homes as a punishment. Shooting the child sheltering in his fathers arms, killing the British peace worker, and so many other examples including the sinking of the Greenpeace ship in New Zealand. The Rainbow Warrior was a REAL threat to their security, loaded with beardy hippies in sandals - crikey, someone might have mistaken them for a whole load of Christs!
They were given their country, then fought a war in 1967 and occupied the west bank. Not many other occupying forces have stayed that long apart perhaps from the allies in Germany and Japan!
Fair point about the Berlin wall, but the Nazis created enclosed ghettos in lots of cities, like Warsaw.