Mr Brannen

Is it just me or does a Harvey Gibbs engine seem to add value (lots of it) to the value of your Cossie.
Heres the thing right, when my mate went and viewed anImperial Blue Escos, the car was an absolute crock o shite, realy.
Had 110,000 miles, roof had rot, skirt had rot and the manifold was fooked, leather was one of the worst I have seen yet the lad would not fuckin budge on 14k for it because " well its got a Harvey engine hasnt it"...his words not mine.
My mate bought a Monte eventually with 50,000 on in great condition for 14k.
Looked on the trader again this week and he`s still got this Imperial Blue Escort up for £13,750.
Harveys engines are awesome but surely like this kid thought you cant sell a car for top money purely cause its got a quality engine

Mr Brannen

Well then

Anonymous

What does he think are actually different in harveys engine?

a secret extra clearnce of .5 thou more on the pistons that makes them last twice as long or something?

bud-weis

A Harvey Engine is no better than a MSD,NMS,MAD engine in my opinion,and in some cases certainly not as good, but a car with a freshly built and more importantly properly built engine will be worth a bit more on a cossie,as the main draw for some people is the condition of the engine.

with PRO rebuilds costing between £3 and £5k for a proper job then it pays to check the engine properly and if it's been done by a PRO then the owner can expect to add a premium on, but i agree that a shed with a good engine is still a shed and not worth 14k

Mr Brannen

Exactly Chip, what he was saying was the engine was 7k, except he bought the car direct from Harvey with the engine in, so he didnt actually pay 7k for it .
I mean I can understand people wanting to recoup some of there money back of an engine build but he didnt even fookin pay for it

Anonymous

As Bud-weis has said.

A good engine from a respected tuner increases the value, but it shouldnt really matter which tuner it is.

Personally i would happily pay more when buying a car for a decent and recent engine rebuild with receipts, as IMHO any high milage YB is due one now anyway.

Rippers

..after that description who cares what price he wanted sounds like a dog, i'd have walked away anyway even if he had offered it for £10k

It's Czech Mate

Doesn't matter who built the engine, well not 4 grands worth of bother anyway ..is's what chip/management and who mapped it and set it up that counts too

No pint having a 7k engine on a shite chip with boost and fueling all over the shop

abdr500

iTrader: (1)

dont buy it then

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

It's swings and roundabouts - do you spend £14k on a shoddy car with a mint 400bhp engine and spend a few thousand on tidying the body?

Or do you buy a cheaper / same price bodily mint car and spend £5-7k on building a new 400bhp engine? At the end of the day, you have to decide which is the cheapest option for you to do...

If it was just surface rust and I believed I could make it like new, I would go for the one that needed the bodywork, as Cossie engines cost a fortune .

jay man

at last mike talking sense it must be the hot weather melting his brian! The only reason a chap flew all the way from scotland and bought my escos was because of the harvey engine

SteveB

iTrader: (3)

I'd rather buy a car with a mint body than a mint engine....... once the rot worm has got in its alot harder to get rid of 100% than taking an engine out and rebuilding it...

You never know what laying beneth a rotten car or have any idea on cost !!!

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

A rebuilt engine will not add a massive amount ( whoever built it ) BUT if a good builder has done a rebuild it will make the car easier to sell .

People think because they have spent thousands on there car they will get there money back ,,THEY WONT ,,

Its like new tyres ,, its worth no more with brand new quality tyres than it is with just good used tyres , its just an added bonus to help the sale

IMO, A car with a very sweet engine is worth no less than one with a rebuilt item ,, they are both good engines but the one with a rebuild may sell quicker

Paul

Mike1

Quick Mike, get brian in the fridge!

Matt

it would make me steer clear of the car tbh!

JoeE30

Agreed with Mike on this one.....A good engine is worth far more then a good body....imo

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

So you would rather have a old shitter that had a good engine


I would rather buy a car with a blown engine than a rotten body

A rebuild is far easier than rebuilding rotten bodywork , and how mant people want a car with gen pannels ??? almost everyone , but who is put off by a new engine

gingeRS

bodywork above engine any day

like people that say they can get a blow-over if the paintwork aint 100 %



rot is rot and it will always come back after reapirs, and people, always underestimate the cost of real pro bodywork

AJC

iTrader: (6)

agree, which is why i bought my s1, good bodywork, naff engine

MSD rebuild, sorted

Mr Brannen

Exactly, just how can you repair rot coming from the inside skin of the roof

Rippers

I agree with Mike R on a lot of things but never on a shit body over a good engine Sorry mate

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

To re-skin the roof is still cheaper than an engine build, so as long as you knew all the bits that needed doing, I don't see the problem.

Obviously if it is a complete rot-box, then walk away - I'm just talking about something where the cost of the body repairs were LESS than a new engine. You have to enter into this with your eyes wide open and weigh up the pro's and cons of the cost of things - whichever one wins over, is obviously the car to go for.

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

Mike

Are you honestly saying that you would buy a car that has had a roofskin because of rot ???/Rather than a car with a smoky engine .

If the car is rotten it is repaired to a set standard , but with a blown engine it is rebuilt to your spec etc depending on your budget , and is better than new , the roof skin car is never as good as new , and i dont car who does it , they cant repair rot better than it was when new

Paul

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

You keep saying where the car is rotten, I would never buy a totally "rotten" car. However, if it JUST needed a new roofskin or a particular panel replacing, and the rest of the car was sound, I would not hesitate. If the paintwork was scruffy (but the car was an honest example just typical of it's age), I would not hesitate - paintwork is easier and less costly to do than an engine rebuild. Otherwise you're saying that the likes of Martin Hadland's and Sean Bicknell's cars (where they have had the roof removed and replaced) are rubbish then .

Obviously the engine would have to be the exact spec I was after to warrent me me doing this.

abdr500

iTrader: (1)

Mike Rainbird

morto

i wud rauther buy a car with a mint body, as the engine can be sent to any good tunner but doin the bodywork is another thing, im i right in sayin that harvey and amed was with the world rally team?

andy

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

Mike we are talking road cars ,, not track / com cars ,,

I would never buy a ROAD car thats had a roof skin .

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

why do people make such a song and dance about original panels/paint etc? I can see the point if its somthing like a 20k miles RS 500 etc, but most cossies are around 70-100k now, and the youngest is going to be 10 years old, Personally I would rarther have a mint car that had a bit of bodywork done well and a good engine than a original panel/paint car with a ropey engine

Damo V

Wel mine has excellent bodywork AND a recent raised spec rebuild... Bargain I say

RichardPON

Mike,

Look at my 1st (Darren's old saff) as an example.

Good solid engine, hideous bodywork. I spent the best part of 2k putting four new doors, respraying it, and then another couple of hundred repairing fooked chassis rails etc.........

......... and at the end of the day, the rot and rust was there to stay, and came back soon enough - bad enough for it to be broken.