Anonymous

Anyone on here actually used tuning dials on a DTA p8 pro for live mapping on the road?

Personally i cant get on with the damn things and ended up just manually editing the map instead, you cant seem to lock it on a cell and edit it, so unless you happen to be in a set of circumstances where it loiters around in a cell for ages anyway (ie uphill in high gear or something) there doesnt really seem to be enough time to input using the dials.

Whats other peoples experience of using them?

I can see them being useful on a dyno where you can hold a car on a site, but to me they just dont seem useful in the real world?

foreigneRS

jaycos showed me his the other day (dials that is )

Anonymous

Yeah these were Jaycos's ones.

Nice bit of kit in principle, but just doesnt seem to be useable quick enough in a live environment

foreigneRS

i wouldn't know about that, i didn't try using them

i think that once you get used to them, they're probably quite a quick way of tuning individual sites. that's how it seemed to me anyway.

GARETH T

never used one myself,,,, but as you say chip.. bet its handy on a dyno

Anonymous

The way i would like it to work, is that as soon as you start turning the dial, it remembers the relevant sites at the time you started turning it, and when you hit enter it updates those sites.

But the problem is that if you are going up through the rev range, you start to dial in the % adjustment that you want, and by the time you have hit the enter button its on another site.

Well thats how it seemed to me, but i had no instructions with them so maybe i was doing something wrong :S



On a dyno, im sure they are awesome

The livemap display screen is pretty good too, its just annoying that you cant edit the values directly on that screen and have to keep coming out and then going back into the main fuel table to alter them, just making the boxes on the live display screen editable would make a big difference IMHO, or at least allowing you to have both the fuel map and live display open at once to easily move between them (like emerald)

Jay,

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duno what ur wingin about pmsl i can use it

but the way u was doin it is the way i do as the screen is realistivly a dyno screen like you say bet it good on a dyno

but once you got ur eye it came together toh dint it thanks very much for your help as it made a change to just beable to drive the car

cheers jay

Anonymous

No worries Jay, i actualy quite enjoy mapping anyway, its nice that you can spend a couple of hours and then at the end of it the car run SO much better, gives a good sense of achievement.

Fook trying to drive it and map it like you had been doing previously though, its DEFINATELY a two man job IMHO!

Jim Galbally

put the trim on before you hit the site, then hit save AS you hit the site

Anonymous

yeah but jim, before you have hit the site, you dont know how much trim you want to put on!

I think i will just stick to the manaul editing of the map, i always prefer it TBH, i just would sooner see the actual raw numbers and edit them rather than mess around with dials and trendy stuff like that.

Jim Galbally

go thru it onc, see how much you think you need, then go thru it again etc.

its how i did mine on the live adjustments screen. altho that was easier coz it was all motorway.

chip, i need to get mine looked at again tho, the old map we loaded on the other day was the one i loaded up before i left the ring for home. the cruise stuff's not too bad but its still got those random rich and lean points dotted in it

i've emailed emerald for a new date for mapping tho

Jay,

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pmsl u did look worried when i said gimmie dyno box ill show when i was driving

its true tho i think even on the dyno when the car comes on boost it moves to quick through the sites so switching between the real time and fuel map is the way i recon

Anonymous

But jim, if you have been though it once and know what changes, why piss about with trims when you can just edit the raw data in an instant.

Thats what i do anyway, i just got jay to drive for a few seconds, i noted what cells i wanted to change and by how much, then i edited anything between 2-10 of them in one go based on what ive seen and then got him to give it another squirt, FAR easier than messing around trying to get onto the same site on the livemap screen again IMHO


With regards to your car, i dont mind meeting up and mapping it again mate, was good fun last time anyway, and TBH with a decent amount of battery life i know i could get some of it better than it was as i was rushing through it trying to get it all just about ok before your laptop went flat, rather than taking the time to get things just right, plus we were very limited in terms of how you drove it due to being part of a 80-100mph convey at the time so it wasnt exactly easy to do the low load sites!

Im free a couple of evenings next week if thats any use to you?

foreigneRS

not if you're dyno is controlled to hold a fixed speed it won't jay you're just thinking of dyno's being used in "shoot out" mode to get a power reading

Jay,

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yeh true dint think of that lol


here is chip is on about this is the screen for live map on the p8


the new s60 ecu is more user friendly with this


it shows you where u are on the map and allows you to edit it live with a input

Anonymous

Jay, that S60 one where it moves around the actual map itself is MUCH better IMHO, was a bit of an arse getting from one map to the other on the p8pro i felt.

I wonder if alan intends to release software that works like the new one for the S8 at any point?

hopefully before i have to map that astra as the evil fecking thing scares me so anything that shortens how long i have to be in it under load is a good thing, LOL

Jay,

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chip really once you get used to it , it aint so bad .When i did the tps/rpm map what u see on my logger that time that took about 3 hours including a quite good town and cruise map sorted .

I remember stu comenting once on it that he didnt like the software as of keep fliting back a forth between screens .

Dont think alan will bother with a update as theres a new ecu coming soon the s80 witch will share the same stuff as the s60 but with traction control and more analogs ect

Jim Galbally

i wish my software had different windows you can view at the same time. the tabs ar a right arse when you wanna see the ive ajustment screen AND the map at th same time

Anonymous

yeah but at least on yours you CAN tab between them, on the dta you have to physically come out of one screen and go into another.

Jay,

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just spoke to grant whos sold and fitted dta for about 3/4 years app;ications from kseries to evo ix he says the p8 pro once setup is among thebest on the market but the s60 is so easy to setup can be done in half the time

Anonymous

PS

jim, personally i prefer the emerald out of the two.

Anonymous

Jay, ive always views the P8Pro as a great ECU, lots of features and very robust it would appear, its ONLY the mapping software i dont like.

The older dos based stuff for it though is more my cup of tea, next time i have a play with yours i will see if i can get hold of a copy of that as it allows you to see your location on the map and edit the map on the same screen.

Sketch

I havent used the dials yet for any of my mapping but its something i want to try when the car is running again!

I found it easy enough to map at cruise on the live map display, but havent as yet tried it on hard acceleration so not sure how easy that will be!

Otherwise its just as you say, do a a little bit of a run and see what sort of changes you need to make and where, and then edit the main fuel / ignition tables.

I have to admit its not the friendliest software that i have seen, but its workable so thats something. May well buy the S60 and see how easy the new software makes things.......

Anonymous

Ive just been given a top tip on how to live map at 30 pounds of boost and get long enough on a load site:

use the foot brake


Was a serious suggestion of course, but not really something fancy doing personally unless its on a very empty motorway at the time!

ballin

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can you not record then enter on playback or something?

Jim Galbally

chip, its a great idea

unless the car is high powered enough to spin up the rears when trying this, now THAT would be scary

Stu @ M Developments

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Thats exactly how i do it Chip, left foot brake mate.


It IS very scary.

markk

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it is a complete arse to map, not at all user friendly, the dials do make is 2% better, but its still an arse, i would not buy it because of its mapping software, oh and that fact that the technical backup is shit.

try and map a bike with it on

as for the boost mapping, kenny has always done mine with the foot brake on for loading up, just make sure you have decent brakes

Anonymous

Im not looking forward to being in the astra accelerating hard at 140mph with rob left foot breaking to keep it at the same speed, with the rears locking up and the front still spinning due to 400bhp+ going though them


Definately need to be dialling out the rears on the pedal box before i do the ignition map on that one

Anonymous

Kind of, you can use a data logger and go from that.

Thats what i normally do for a very first run through if ive got no basemap at all really, dial in a load of numbers you KNOW will be very rich, very brief drive, then look at the logs and from that you can build a map thats approx the right shape to start from, but TBH its easier after that to just map a small amount at the time and keep editing bit by bit, as its better to see the response to a small change at a time.

NUTS RuS

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Does it work on a diesel ?

Stu @ M Developments

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Not all of em, many of, if not most of, the new ones disable fuel drive upon braking.

NUTS RuS

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Yep I soon sussed that out on a roundabout Stu

Anonymous

PMSL

markk

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keep the brake on, release the throttle, re-apply the throttle, usually overides the brake - fuel cut off,

not that ive ever tried it

Stu @ M Developments

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Nor me..

_DAN_

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