Alps Pacino

I am just after a bit of info on nitrose systems really, i am thinking of getting 1 for the integra but not sure yet as i dont really know much about them. I think chip might be able to answer my questions?????????

So if anyone has an info or experience on using them it would be greatly appreciated.

1. Will it effect the reliability of the motor vastly with a 30shot?????????

2. What type of system is best i understand there are wet and dry systems??????????????

3. Any more info that might be usefull and any recomendations on specific kits to buy.

Anonymous

1. Will it effect the reliability of the motor vastly with a 30shot?????????
No, you wont see much improvement or degredation of performance with that amount unless you specifically wantto use it to lengthen the life span by menaing you need less rpm


2. What type of system is best i understand there are wet and dry systems??????????????
Wet, dont consider anything else.
I would recomend a wizards of nos kit on such a high CR motor as opposed to a NOS or NX or ZEX etc


3. Any more info that might be usefull and any recomendations on specific kits to buy.
See above, but i would look at a 75bhp progressive kit, i see utterly no point in bothering to isntall nitrous for the sake of a poulty 30bhp, its like installing a turbo to run 2psi of boost

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

But with a 75bhp shot am i likely to throw a rod through the block???????

I am thinking that a 30 shot would be just enough more power without sacrificing reliability, after all thats what i bought the car for.

I might consider a 50 shot.

So you recon a wet wizards system would be ideal for 1/4 mile and the odd squirt on the road.?????????????

When you say progressive you obviously mean the nos is squirted in gradually and not just like an on off switch effect

Anonymous

Only if you have an existing bearing problem or you create DET by wrongly jetting it or something.

Well at least thats slightly more like it

Yes thats correct, it pulses the nitrous solenoid to deliver a smaller amount initally.

I would use a single jet (ie not direct port) kit on an ITR.

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

The sinle jet system is uses like a triangle thing doesnt it????????

Fuel in 1 side nos in the other then the mixture into the intake hose.

Direct port is 1 of the above triangle things straight into each piston isnt it????????

Anonymous

Yes thats right mate, one triangle not one per cylinder.

The reason for this is it work better on a smaller progressive system in terms of performance gains AND reliability, as it means softer hit and also less reversion.

Anonymous

Like this:

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

Rightio i think i have the info now but 1 last question, is this what i'm looking for

The street blaster 100i

http://www.wizardsofnos.com/index2.html

O and do i need 1 of these to make the kit progressive???????

http://www.wizardsofnos.com/pics/maximiser.jpg

Cheers for your input its much appreciated

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

Funnily enought i sold a full kit last year for £250 notes

O well i suppose i will have to just bite the bullet and get 1 snapped up when i get some spare cash

Anonymous

Yep the 100i + the maximiser is EXACTLY what i would use for that car.

Tim

iTrader: (1)

whats a 25 shot like on a turbo motor chip ?

Anonymous

Depends on what turbo motor, on a cossie its very much like driving with the passenger sunvisor down instead of up.
Something is different, but you cant really feel what

Tim

iTrader: (1)

Ahhhhh was just readin on wizards web site ,25 is the best for setups then till you get right ratio etc then up it accordingly.

but do you get more than 25 from a turbo mota then unlike n/a
?

Alps Pacino

Just seen the price of that maximiser

But i have noticed the minimax which is half the price and tbh i think it will do what i want of it.

What you recon chip bite the bullet and get the maximiser or is it a bit overkill and a waste of money for what i want

Anonymous

Get the maximiser, its worth it just for the adjustable end value TBH


tim, yes you start at 25bhp for setup.
But as for power yields, it really does vary a lot.


If you decide to buy anything new rather than mess around looking for secondhand kits, i can normally get people around 20% discount.

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

Nice 1 chip much appreciated tbh i think i will probably just end up buying a new kit as its all there and i know it will work as it should.

Then the hard part of getting it all set up. I think i will be needing a clutch if i'm going for a 50 shot or even a 75shot.

With the maximiser and a 75 shot i think 13.5 1/4s shouldnt be a problem

Anonymous

Mid 13s sounds reasonable, im afraid i dont know enough about the clutch to comment though, i would expect it to be ok, but i havent tried it as my Integra got stripped by thieves before i ever ran it and anyway it had a non stnadard clutch.

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

The clutch is the weak point aparently, so WHEN it goes i will uprate it to something suitable for the extra power i think.

If i can achieve a 14.5 in the wet, i'm confident i can scrub a second of that with the nos and dry weather.

The only problem then is i will be wanting to get into the 12s

Anonymous

TBH i dont see getting a teg into the 12s on gas as a big issue either.

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

I will just have to wait and see my first attempt at 1/4 mile was successful judging by the honda boys comments

14.50@96mph with exhaust and filter in the wet.

Add another 75bhp and loose a bit more weight out of the car and hey presto at least a 13.5 imo

Anonymous

for comparison, a nova XE i through together for a competion a couple of years ago ran a high 14 or 15 flat off gas @ 89mph

On gas (no other changes) it ran a 13.3@109.8

that was with a slipping clutch


Im very confident you can lose a second off the DRY time of your car if you are prepared to use 75bhp or more of nitrous.

My friends corsa runs 13.5 off gas and STILL loses over a second on gas to run a 12.2

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

Thats quick that like, in comparison i got email the results through of the day i was quickest in class with my 14.50 dead, there was a nova valver there that did a 14.64. I was up against him on 1 run and i was a bonnets lenght ahead over the finish.

There was some quick cars there a crx with a teg motor did a 13.60 that was normally aspirated no gas

Anonymous

TBH mate, im a bit underwhelmed at those numbers

I think when you get the gas working properly you will look back at what you think as "quick" now in a whole different way!

Alps Pacino

chip-3door

I aint saying a 14.50 is a quick 1/4 mile time but for a near standard integra on a wet day it is apparently, well according to the integra lot.

Its all down to what YOU think is quick i mean someone thats used to running a top fuel dragster is hardly going to think my time is quick

For what i was expecting and from what the honda lot have said it is considered a quick wet time, for comparison what would a 200bhp erst do the 1/4 in on a wet day???????????

Anonymous

about 19



Yes mate, good time in the circumstances.



Must admit, that corsa impresses everyone, my mate Johnny runs sub 6.5's all day long and even he was like "damn, for what it is, that thing REALLY shifts"

The Rapid 1

Obviously everything Chip has said is bang on

Just like to add my two pennith worth

Really wouldnt want to consider anything else except a Wizard kit for any Nitrous needs

The kit itself is far superior in EVERY way to anything the Yanks can offer

BUT above the quality of the kits, especially as you just starting off in as I know a scarry venture (you can ignore all the horror stories as long as you sensible and get the right advice from the right people ) is the support and backup and knowledge of Trev and the boys at Highpower, the advice and service I used to get was second to none, with the guys up there going out there way to help

TBH I never actually had a Maximiser only the Minimiser which I found adequate for my needs and tbh would imagine that things have come on since my day with the development of the "izers", but I used to run a gear reset count up for the street and a through the gears build up for the strip, ie on the street the build up used to reset on every gear change so if you slowed and knocked down a gear you wouldnt be delivering to much a shot in the lower gears it would start the count from scratch in every gear but on the strip when wouldnt be changing down or finding myself in a low gear it used to build gradually through the gears so by the time i was at the end of third it was full power and stayed that way for fourth and fith, having said that on the Cos I was running 100 shot with no "izer" straight off the line, was only when I went up to 150 shot i thought it might be a good idea lol

As far as the clutch goes ( as any other part of your engine or drivetrain, dont forget these as all will be under more stress) if it already on its last legs Nitrous wont help it last longer, as any performance increase it will shorten its life but if you really worried about life expectancy of parts go buy a metro (and that aint a Reyland one )

With the use of an "izer" will certainly help the life expectancy of any parts as brings the power in gradually without a "shock" to components so in fact you can/could actually run a higher shot than you may have actually thought possible and even running the higher shot cause less stress/"shock" than running a smaller shot.

As far as using "izers" you deffinately want to be using Highpower "PULSOIDS" as the name suggests these are built to "pulse" on and off NO OTHER "solonoid" is, indeed the yanks stuff requires the use of a back up "safety" solonoid as they EXPECT their solonoids to fail



Wait till you get hooked on this miracle gas and get more involved and start thinking of bottle pressures and nitrogen injection etc lol, but that for a latter time




Steve

big_wig_074

so what would a kit cost then?minimizer and a small bottle,for about 75bhp i reckon in the nova?all in rough price?

Alps Pacino

big_wig_074


just shy of £1100 for the above kit i quoted and maximizer from wizards.

O and Rapid1 cheers for the advice much appreciated