cossie1

Just wondering if anyone knows the part numbers / codes for the ecu's used on cossie's ??

and if they are the same as lancia delta HF Turbo's and Intergrale ecu's ?

richm

AFAIK, the Lancia ones are equivalent to Level 1 cossie ECU's - at least the one i have from an Integrale looks like it They will have different reference numbers anyway, as the eprom chip program will be different.
As to whether they are plug'n'play compatible by fitting the respective chip.... i dunno..

cossie1

ok m8

well I took the bottom covers off both of them that I have here, 1 looks like an L6 (or L1 if they look the same inside)

the other 1 looks like it has a baby board fitted inside.

cossie1

Level 1 or 6 ?????


code from the top cover



is this a L8 or P8 ?

or a L6 with a babyboard ?





code from the bottom of this 1 is

WH471.08/8PI.BS

does that help atall ???

cossie1

Matt

L1 with the yellow co post screw

i think L6 are white (like the baby boarded one)

dont bank on that though, could be wrong way round lol

cossie1

cheers

does anyone know for sure ?

lancia delta 6 times WRC

They are different but not too sure how, i know they run differing diagnostics for a start.
8v integrales run basic o/boost system like cossies (on/ff control) and low imp injectors.

16v/evo1 integrales run mapped boost as std unlike cossie and use high imp injectors with two map sensors.

Evo2 use p8 with lambda, mapped boost again and high imp injectors, two map sensors and wasted sprk ignition.

i'll have a look in my grale manual and see what part no.s are there

cossie1

cheers m8

all I really need to know is what ecu's they are compared to the cossie versions, i.e level 1 level 6 level 8 or P8 etc

and if all I need to do is swap the eeproms over to cossie ones for them to work.

lancia delta 6 times WRC

well the short answer is no as most integrales run 2 map sensors the exception being the 8v which i guess has a variation of what you would call L1,L6.

If any fit this one will be most likely.

AFAIK all grales seem to have better/different spec as std.

as they retain there resolution by using two map sensors and having mapped boost as std.

FYI

16v grale, WH4W.08/90E-95

16v evo1, WH4WE.0890P-9D

hf turbo has mechanical o/boost so will not be suitable.
other variations will include,
HF 4x4 (could be same as 8v????)
HF integrale kat (16v body 8v engine, swiss market)
HF integrale kat (evo body 8v engine, swiss market)

cossie1

but surely all that info is stored / used by what ever chip is fitted inside the ecu ?

therefore if a cossie chip is fitted instead it will work the same as any other L1 l6 l8 p8 etc

???

lancia delta 6 times WRC

do you have two map sensors then?

cossie1

no i only have 1

but if it has a cossie chip fitted then the ecu would only look for 1 map sensor wouldn't it ?

or have i missed something ?

lancia delta 6 times WRC

the pin outs may be different and they use high impedence injectors.

cossie1

ok

does anyone know the pin outs of the ecu's ?

lancia delta 6 times WRC

For the price of cossie stuff i cant work out why you would be buggering around with lancia parts

Just try it and see if it works whats the worst that could happen, it kills the ecu.

cossie1

or kills the engine

as for the price

they cost me fa, where I work is an ex lancia main dealer and today they finally got round to binning all the old stuff thats been sat on the shelves for 10 - 15 yr's so whilst going through it all I found these 2 ecu's a brand new grale rim, some new gralie pistons, a nardi steering wheel, a brand new gralie downpipe and some other bits.

So just thought I would findout if I can use these ecu's on the cossie, and if 1 of them might be an L8 or P8 as then I could get my car setup on closed loop lamda

lancia delta 6 times WRC

its not a grale ecu, its for a 8v dedra turbo

cossie1

I didn't say it was a gralie ecu m8

lol

but are they both dedra turbo ecu's ?

lancia delta 6 times WRC

top one hf turbo, bottom dedra turbo 8v, i doubt both are much use.

maybe make a few quid on ebay as theres still a few of each about.

cossie1

kewl

cheers for the info m8

cossie1

so they are deffo no good on the cossie then ?

richm

I plugged mine in and tried it
it kinda 'ran' but that was with the lancia chip and on a 4x4, so throttle position sensor was probably the wrong one for the early ECU too...
I only started it to see if it would run, so no loaded operation!

cossie1

ok

might try them both tomorrow then and see what happens as mine a 2wd

cossie1

well I just tried them both, it wouldn't start.

So I tried with my chip in them

still didn't start and I tried it with and without the baby board

so guess it's ebay time with them

cossie1

are the iscv the same ?

as I got a brand new 1 of them aswell

lancia delta 6 times WRC

yes except they have an additional housing that is easily stripped off.

whats the part number for the pistons you have?

any other stuff worth having as i may be interested.

cossie1

5882244 the part number of the box's

they are class E

come complete with the rings, and gudeon (sp) pins

also have a set of big end bearings 5880256

and a set of half bearings 7579813

and also a recirc dump valve (which looks same as a std cossie item) 82408820

and last of all a NARDI 4 spoke steering wheel, with delta (afaik) boss

cossie1

bttt

lancia delta 6 times WRC

8v hf4wd/intgerale pistons i think

recirc valve is usually replaced by an audi tt225 one as its a direct replacement but has better internals and is Ł19 new.

Its the Lancia code readers that are the big things people want.

cossie1

whats the lancia code readers then ???

also are the original lancia workshop books worth alot ?

as we have about 4 shelves full of em

cossie1

the pistons say thema turbo ie on the box, and on the stock order card it was booked in as intergrale, so dunno if they are 8v or 16v pistons

lancia delta 6 times WRC

16v one have valve cut outs

the problem you may have regarding price on ebay is most grales are 16v but if you got em for nothing.

how much for the grale manual as i'm only interested in grale stuff too be honest.

cossie1

are 16v grale pistons the same as cossie ones ?

someone at work recons that they are ?


as for the manuals will have to see if a) the grale ones are there
and b) if they will let me have them

lancia delta 6 times WRC

I dont think so, Integrales run 84mm bore and 90mm stroke.

I think there very misinformed.