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Old 04-03-2006 | 04:50 PM
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Took the cossie out for a spin and met up with a lad with an imported subaru today.Its got a standard turbo he said but was running more boost so we went out to the country and it fooking killed my car
Mines stage3 and it was very even upto 5th gear then he just shot right up behind me.It was like I had hit a brick walln the car struggled to get past 90.I thought this cant be happening.Luckily on coming traffic saved him going past me.I think I need a new chip and bigger injectors
What spec should I take it to without going low comp?
Im really gutted.
Old 04-03-2006 | 04:52 PM
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what is 'stage 3' ? what is yours running?
Old 04-03-2006 | 04:52 PM
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T34 and Greys

380bhp

Go careful with the diffs and Box though
Old 04-03-2006 | 04:56 PM
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The engine was built by MAD and has a stage4 ahmed chip in it.
Wrc head gasket, rs500 cooler and its on greens with a T34 but its stage3.
Its also got a -34 on it.
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Greys needed then
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:00 PM
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What about light blues? Surely with the power Im running the car should still get over 90mph easily.Could there be a fault with the chip or ecu?
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:03 PM
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Was that chip written for greens?
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What rev's does it hit 'the brick wall' at? Could be a plug lead breaking down, or one of the sensors - any other symptoms (smoke etc)?

Has the car driven okay prior tothis, or have you just fitted a new chip?
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:04 PM
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something far wrong mate
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Originally Posted by Cossie-Iain
the car should still get over 90mph easily.
Just spotted this - you are taking the piss right? Yes it should.

and also 90mph in 5th?? That's still 3rd /4th surely
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:08 PM
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Fuck me my 1.6 Escort does 90 in 3rd, something is definately wrong by the sounds of it fella..
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Sounds like your Cossie needs a health check!
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MAD fitted the chip with the greens fitted so I assume its correct.The car was on men and motors at well lane and pulled 315bhp with its old owner.
Ive put new leads on it last year from Msd.The car seems to hold the boost in top gear but nothing seems to happen after 90mph.I think brick wall was wrong choice of words maybe I should have said its like an elephant jumps into the car it just seems to do nothing after 90 and the lad behind me said it was a bit reeky.
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lol. you shouldnt even begin to run out of pull till at least 130 with stage 3
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:16 PM
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Definately needs looking at, and I would avoid driving hard (if at all) until you do.

Hope it's nothing bad mate.
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i agree, deffo something up with you car.

no way a shonky stage1 scooby should waste a stage3 cos! get it back to MAD for a good look over, no doubt mark will be able to advise
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Your car needs looking at mate!

light blues should see you getting closer to 400 bhp

you shouldnt be disgraced by scoobs in a straight line
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my stg3 t3 car pulled like a coont till 120 ish
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Mark is a bit far away and I like working with Stu and Kenny.Im sure they will sort me out.Could the map sensor be dodgy.The engine that Mark built should be bullit proof so Im thinking that its a software issue.I wish Id never gone for a drive now
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stu and kenny will do you a fucking bang on job too ring em up 1st thing on monday and book yourself in.

DON'T rang the car till then tho, as it could be ready to melt
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:33 PM
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my stg 3 4x4 pulls like fuck way past 90 i often think 5th gear is like bein in 3rd it goes that quick !

deffo get it to stu and kenny as something is deffo wrong there

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hopefully they can fit you in soon as i know they have a pretty long waiting list
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Yes Im going to ring them on monday and get the thing sorted.The cars great in every gear until top.Strange aint it.I hope its a simple thing thats wrong.
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like jim said tho dont rag the arse of it as it will prob be fook all but could be sommat more serious

hope all is ok for you

and i hope scooby guy realised something must be wrong also !

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My top gear is as flat a pancake I couldnt mistake it for for 3rd.Kenny said the chip wasnt right for the car but it was 8pm on a saturday night and Id been there since 8am and we all wanted to go home.
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5th gear should fly mate ! thats why i love motorway driving so much lol

if im doin 70 it doesnt take long at all to reach 100 much to the anoyance of porkers, mercs beemers etc lol

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Originally Posted by Cossie-Iain
My top gear is as flat a pancake I couldnt mistake it for for 3rd.Kenny said the chip wasnt right for the car but it was 8pm on a saturday night and Id been there since 8am and we all wanted to go home.
now fix it
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:43 PM
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Yeah the lad in the scooby asked what bhp I had and asked if it was running ok.I said the car was having issues at the moment and was going to be tuned very soon.Im even starting to think about getting that engine off Ranj for a proper job eh
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Get an MSD set up mate, !
you wont go far wrong!

MAD engines are proven as bullet proof****

even in my less than 20 psi car i dont think 5th is 'flat'
not like you describe anyway!!


(*** Disclaimer : OTHER engine tuners are avaliable, and im sure do just as good job i dont wanna get slagged off lol)
Old 04-03-2006 | 05:47 PM
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Cheers guys your all startring to cheer me up and convince me that my car isnt pants and that there is just something wrong with it
I want another crack at that scooby very soon now.Im going to mince it or the car is going to blow in a blaze of glory
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Originally Posted by Cossie-Iain
My top gear is as flat a pancake I couldnt mistake it for for 3rd.Kenny said the chip wasnt right for the car but it was 8pm on a saturday night and Id been there since 8am and we all wanted to go home.
If you could open the Ecu and tell me what the chip says, I will tell you if it is still the correct one and what spec it is,
It should have a -31 not a -34, it should peak at 25psi dropping to 21psi,
The Chip will work or it wont it wont be in between,
I would look for a fault somewhere, As a guess it sounds like a fueling problem the way you describe it,
1st to check is fuel flow I would run the return line in to a can and time it over 30sec this will tell you if it is flowing correctly with no boost pressure on it,
Then check for fuel line kninks,
After that get someone with test equ to test it.

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mine puls good up to 130+but 5th gear is a bit ropey needs sorting i would get it checked over
Old 04-03-2006 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DAN P
my stg3 t3 car pulled like a Spud ŠRBM2006 till 120 ish
mines 140 ish and still some left
Old 04-03-2006 | 06:16 PM
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Cheers Mark.I called you once before about this car it used to be L2 GON.
I can check the chip for you.
Car boosts to 28psi for a shot time then drops back to 23psi.It should go like a rocket.
Old 04-03-2006 | 06:22 PM
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I remeber the car now chip should say P8 3br 803 FR, AB,
The is a boost limit @28psi and it should be on a -31 with about 1/2 hole preload and on stock boost valve, Check to see if the loom plugs have been removed,
Also check volts @fuel pump.

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Mark the chip says 3BP8FR 803 AB installed 27/4/00.
The loom plugs on the passenger wings are still there if thats what you mean.The -34 was set by kenny at Msd.I hope its something simple.
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There is definately something very wrong it should pull like a train up untill at least 130 then start slowing down.
In mine Iam always trying to change up at 130 but it is allready in fifth, I need a sixth gear


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What difference does the -31 and -34 have?
I wish my car did 130mph
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Originally Posted by Cossie-Iain
Mark the chip says 3BP8FR 803 AB installed 27/4/00.
The loom plugs on the passenger wings are still there if thats what you mean.The -34 was set by kenny at MSD.I hope its something simple.
1st thing to do is remove loom plugs as there will be corrosion cut wire back until no corrosion left, I did one car that it was all the way back to the Ecu from the plugs on 3 wires,
The boost controler is set to run with a -31 it will work best with this,
The -31 opens ealier than a -34 but is more progressive so correctly fitted with the right boost program written in to the chip the -31 is the best one to use.

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Thanks Mark at least I know its still the same chip that you put in but the performance seems really poor compared to what everyone else is saying.I will take a good look at the multi plugs 2moro.


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