he man

but sometimes you cant always move straight over. slip roads are for joining the motor way with care. not come speeding up them and then bang ya signal on hoping matey is gonna let you out. thats how accidents happen. see it everyday.

churchy

I always thought that, with a touch of common sense, if their is no room to move over for the person entering the carriageway, either brake gentley or accelerate to make a gap for the person to join in, shouldn't be a problem if we all leave enough space and everyone is moving.


BTW, thats another thing that winds me up, when you leave a 2 sec gap infront, and someone sees that as an invite to cut in

he man

yeah i totally see ya point mate mate thier are still pratts who just start coming on thinking they have right of way. dont work in rush hour on the M25

churchy

Point taken bud, M25 is a case of every man for himself

Chipperx2

monkey24

i always undertake or if not sit behind them flashing my lights.....another pet hate....people who havent got a clue how to use roundabouts.....people who pull out of a junction in front of you only to turn in 200 yards down the road.......and lorries on the motorway that pull out without giving you enough warning to change lanes causing heavy breaking......the list could go on and on

Gra

i do lots of motorway driving daily and middlelane drivers really fucking annoy me

tis also funny when during a bit of traffic (daily on M1 ) you see some tit weaving in and out of traffic trying to get far, whilst I stay in the correct faster moving lane then laugh at him as I pass him

JayCC

these have all been valid points, and i'm all game for the "i hate middle lane drivers" campaign.. but has anybody mentioned lorries overtaking lorries? surely there is absolutely NO need for them to overtake eachother? another of my extreme hates is people who don't leave enough of a gap, and that goes for driving on any road, anywhere! do people not realise their car does / will NOT!! stop in a 10ft gap at 50mph??

thats my outburst for the day

Jay.[/b]

It's Czech Mate

Lorries should be banned from all lanes apart from the insisde lane IMO

Would halve mway congestion at a stroke Cue the war from HGV drivers

TheBishMan

Quality website for you steve....

http://www.middlelanemorons.com/

RichardPON

Sorry, I disagree.

Lorry drivers on the whole are some of the most considerate and courteous drivers out there, because they have to be.

Their vehicles are speed limited, and it takes bloody ages to get those heavy things wound back up to speed, so lorry drivers know all about conservation of speed and lane discipline.

EVERY time a lorry gets past another, he moves straight back in until he has to overtake again.

For the rare ocassions I've been stuck behiond a couple of lorries side by side stuglling up the hill, I'm not bothered......... as the amount of cars that ignore lane discipline outweigh the ocassional lorry by about 1000-1.

It is also the biggest contributor to congestion on the motorway.

Stavros

Agree with PON, lorrys are FAR less of a problem than nobber car drivers.

It's Czech Mate

Problem is Rich they take half an hour to overtake and as soon as they do the lorry they've overtaken catches up using the hole in the air and then pulls out to overtake and gets slowed because they dont have the 'tow'. It happens and it happens a lot, the number of times i drive on the mway and lorries overtaking reduces it to one useable lane for cars is unbelieveable. This rule is enforced in Germany and i have never seen lorries cause such congestion there as they do in this country.

If you've 'rarely' been stuck when one lorry is overtaking another then you either dont drive much on the m way, or dont drive much in weekday working hours or on the worlds quietest motorway ( m50...fpmsl )

RichardPON

Matt - I used to the M1 to Leicester, and the M25/M11 every weekend and rush hour twice a week.

That whole half an hour for lorry to overtake another is such an exaggeration - it only happens going uphill, and more often that not, it'll be a foreign lorry.

I can forgive transgressions like that as it simply doesn't happen enough for me to worry -lorries really aren't the cause of any major amount of congestion IMO.

The fact that the lories do 50mph in the slow lane of the M1 on a Sunday evening, and that lane 3 generally moves slower or just about the same speed is nothing to do with overtaking lorries.

It's Czech Mate

Rich I have eyes the same as you..lol....I mainly use m40 m4 m4 m6 m42 all the fookin time and believe me a small group of lorries fooking around can cause a massive amount of congestion. They arent banished to one lane on the continent for nothing are they Perhaps we'll agree to disagree

St3V3_C

The trouble with that in the highway code is it was written when the people in lane 1 actually left a gap that you could adjust your speed to fit in.

If they can't move to lane 2, they can adjust their speed to make a gap for you

CossieRich

iTrader: (1)

Why do lorrys that are goverened to 56 mph or whatever it is now days think they can overtake another lorry also goverened to the same speed. Both doing the same speed so your not going to overtake Have seen that scenario going on for miles on the M25 and neither driver would give in. Inside and middle lane both taken up by lorry's doing the same speed. Why

It's Czech Mate

You must be mistaken according to RichPon it doesnt happen

3drstretch

iTrader: (1)

Overtaking lorries is normally down to if they have loads or not as a 44 ton lorry will accelerate up a hill slower than an empty 44 tonner.So empty lorry overtakes simply really.

MWF

He isn't though is he, he's just saying it doesn't happen often enough to warrant such a fuss. Plus in all fairness they are in a relatively difficult scenario to manage and judge.

Yes you get a few stubborn examples but generally I feel truck drivers do an amazing job.

It's Czech Mate

Same with all types of road users IMO, some great some downright selfish, some downright dangerous.

Doesnt take away the fact that lorries are inside lane only in Germany apart from overtaking, and indeed are banned completely in peak traffic hours, must be for a reason

Kop2381

Agree with all the above just reading some of them im fumeing

MWF

Yeah well said.

Simon

I would say the majority of congestion is caused by bad car driving to be honest how many times have you been on the motorway and the 2nd and 3rd lanes are choked up with traffic stopping and starting and lane 1 is moving quite freely with all the trucks maintaining a steady speed,

I think its down to the mentality of most drivers thinking "fast lane" instead of "3rd lane" so they race up the back of the car in front then slam on then speed up again causing the traffic to concertina therfore slowing everything down

Granted there are some selfish truck drivers out there who will sit out in lane 2 for mile after mile but the majority of them will pull back in asap

RichardPON Thank you its nice to be appreciated every now and again

simon

Simon

What some car drivers really need is to be educated on the motorways if you think lorries are that much of a hindrance go find a local haulage firm and ask to go out with one there trucks for the day, believe me you would be surprised at the amount of fuckwit car drivers on the roads nowadays

Take this for instance today im driving down the M6 this afternoon and theres a wideload in front straddling lanes 1 and 2 with an escort vehicle following with its beacons on in lane 2 so everyone on the motorway is passing in lane 3 (the way they are supposed too) then theres one plank drives up lane 1 and undertakes the escort vehicle and sits on the back bumper of the lorry then puts his indicator on to pull into lane 2

That is just 5 minutes out of a 10 hour day on the motorways

simon

sabres74

The idiot who thinks that 70 MPH is the maximum that any one should be driving in the outside lane, so they will keep to that speed even though they are not passing the traffic in the middle lane.

Spax

Good job we don't have motorways then