gt 35 compressor stall
25-07-2004, 11:02 PM
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Like any large turbo onto a YB, surge is always an issue. It's imperative to get the spec right of both the turbo AND engine.
Unfortunetly I can't offer any help as I didn't build the engine and as such there's too much guess work required in diagnosing possible problem areas.
Unfortunetly I can't offer any help as I didn't build the engine and as such there's too much guess work required in diagnosing possible problem areas.
25-07-2004, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Escort_Cos
CraigN,
i heard ian from racetek was a bit shocked after his engine let go then the respnse from EA
after spending thousands of pounds with the company
2nd hand wives gossip tho
i heard ian from racetek was a bit shocked after his engine let go then the respnse from EA
after spending thousands of pounds with the company
2nd hand wives gossip tho
26-07-2004, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
they all went bang because of the rollerbearings being eaten by the engine, after some research it showed that the axle was giving way when you go off throttle (up and above 2 bar or 28 psi or more)
Turbinator, Were you running a Dumpvalve on these cars?
Karls, Martins, and my Turbo that did the Gumball have had NO problems at all in the cars....all running over 600bhp reliably. Not heard of any problems with these Turbos at all apart from what YOU have alledged happened. They DO need to be watercooled and run dumpvalves though.
Be interesting as more and more people use these Turbos and I think you will be proved to be very wrong!
Is your. Karls, Martins. a straight off the shelf turbo or one from custom parts ???
Porkie, dont take it personally, i just ventilated my opinion from my experience with them a few years back...
And i am open minded to other experiences, so I would be very happy to be proven wrong in the future so I can learn and might also try a rollerbearing once again .. But for the moment there not fitted on my cars because of the reasons I stated earlier..
26-07-2004, 07:29 AM
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Saw Dave yesterday while pcikin up another CPS for my car! 
& told him to put a call in2 Karlos & c what he thoguht & how he could sort it out for him! 
On a note for Pauls defence I love my car & it goes like stink!
& told him to put a call in2 Karlos & c what he thoguht & how he could sort it out for him! On a note for Pauls defence I love my car & it goes like stink!
26-07-2004, 08:26 AM
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26-07-2004, 08:50 AM
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[quote="Itsmeagain"]
i know the facts and details off it all, and its shocking to say the least
Steve, dont suppose (with Ian's permission) you could post up the facts & details?
Originally Posted by Escort_Cos
CraigN,
i heard ian from racetek was a bit shocked after his engine let go then the respnse from EA after spending thousands of pounds with the company
it's not gossip it's fact!
i heard ian from racetek was a bit shocked after his engine let go then the respnse from EA after spending thousands of pounds with the company
it's not gossip it's fact!
26-07-2004, 08:57 AM
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[quote="Doug Stirling"]
i know the facts and details off it all, and its shocking to say the least
Steve, dont suppose (with Ian's permission) you could post up the facts & details?
Ian said he probably would himself somtime, so unless he asks me, il leave it to him.
Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
Originally Posted by Escort_Cos
CraigN,
i heard ian from racetek was a bit shocked after his engine let go then the respnse from EA after spending thousands of pounds with the company
it's not gossip it's fact!
i heard ian from racetek was a bit shocked after his engine let go then the respnse from EA after spending thousands of pounds with the company
it's not gossip it's fact!
26-07-2004, 09:04 AM
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turbinator,
The GT range use BALL bearing technology NOT roller-bearings, and it is a new concept, so the testing you did years ago is not applicable to these turbos!
I ran my old GT turbo for 15,000miles and upon strip down the ball bearings were as NEW!!!!
The GT range use BALL bearing technology NOT roller-bearings, and it is a new concept, so the testing you did years ago is not applicable to these turbos!
I ran my old GT turbo for 15,000miles and upon strip down the ball bearings were as NEW!!!!
26-07-2004, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Andreas
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Billabong
26-07-2004, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Escort_Cos
Originally Posted by Kev.H
I read a few strange stories about EA now 
what big power cars have let go ?? is the white wrc wing'd Ractek car still going ????
what big power cars have let go ?? is the white wrc wing'd Ractek car still going ????i mentioned this in another post but since we are on the subject again i'll say it again. EA are the worst rip-off tuners i have ever seen
didnt he work for mountune maybe he just made the tea 
26-07-2004, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian@Racetek
Doug
You may ask Harvey as that's where my car is now!
You may ask Harvey as that's where my car is now!
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26-07-2004, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian@Racetek
Thanks Doug. If you want to know further details you can ring me around lunchtime!! Or ask Steve.
shame about your troubles very naughty
26-07-2004, 10:00 AM
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i would tell all
only tuners ive never heard anything bad about is Karl and Stu
but then when i told u at cheltenham i was intending to take my car to Karl u told me to take it to EA
at least i crashed the car and it was my fault rather than it throw a rod
hope u get it sorted as was a mint car
i would tell all
only tuners ive never heard anything bad about is Karl and Stu
but then when i told u at cheltenham i was intending to take my car to Karl u told me to take it to EA
at least i crashed the car and it was my fault rather than it throw a rod
hope u get it sorted as was a mint car
26-07-2004, 10:06 AM
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Kev....yep I own it at the moment! Thanks for the sympathy. Waaaaaaaaa!
Craig.... yep. They say you learn from your mistakes, I've have had a long learning curve here!
Dan.....my god dont say that!!! Noooooooooo!
Craig.... yep. They say you learn from your mistakes, I've have had a long learning curve here!
Dan.....my god dont say that!!! Noooooooooo!
26-07-2004, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian@Racetek
Kev....yep I own it at the moment! Thanks for the sympathy. Waaaaaaaaa!
Craig.... yep. They say you learn from your mistakes, I've have had a long learning curve here!
Dan.....my god dont say that!!! Noooooooooo!
Craig.... yep. They say you learn from your mistakes, I've have had a long learning curve here!
Dan.....my god dont say that!!! Noooooooooo!
Your car is fooking loverly and without trying to sounds a cont it's at the wrong place IMO for the kind attention to detail I know your be loooking for. Any of the following would have been more suitable IMO:
Reyland, Zoo, Karl @ NMS or Stu/Kenny at MSD..........
(in no particular order!!)
Cheers,
Dan
26-07-2004, 10:14 AM
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Dan....too late now!!
I was recommended (pushed!) to SCS by a friend who is a very leading turbocharger supplier so I'm sure it'll be fine! From the technical conversation I had with Harvey last week as we pushed my car off the transporter, he seemed to know why what happened did. I hope so anyway.
I was recommended (pushed!) to SCS by a friend who is a very leading turbocharger supplier so I'm sure it'll be fine! From the technical conversation I had with Harvey last week as we pushed my car off the transporter, he seemed to know why what happened did. I hope so anyway.
26-07-2004, 10:18 AM
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Dan....too late now!!
I was recommended (pushed!) to SCS by a friend who is a very leading turbocharger supplier so I'm sure it'll be fine! From the technical conversation I had with Harvey last week as we pushed my car off the transporter, he seemed to know why what happened did. I hope so anyway.
I was recommended (pushed!) to SCS by a friend who is a very leading turbocharger supplier so I'm sure it'll be fine! From the technical conversation I had with Harvey last week as we pushed my car off the transporter, he seemed to know why what happened did. I hope so anyway.
I have no doubt Harvey will work out the problem and build you a nice new 'cheap' engine (with half the bolts missing or stripped!!LOL) but the installation/attention to detail will be a complete joke so be prepared and also be prepared to not see your car for months either!!LOL
26-07-2004, 10:19 AM
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When tuning a YB to these levels, failures can/will happen unfortunately. It's all about how the cutomer is treated IF the worst happens, that's what gets a company a good reputation!
26-07-2004, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian@Racetek
Kev....yep I own it at the moment! Thanks for the sympathy. Waaaaaaaaa!
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but maybe put her back on a trailor cos it never to late your money remember and take her to Martin or Karl as there reputation speaks for itself 
26-07-2004, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Is it being suggested that the tuner somehow caused the rod to let go?
just so many cars that have been setup there seem to let go
dont u map within limits to allow for variables and map it "safely" rather for all out power ?
also i think ians was a special condition
high compression and 30psi boost + on 8 light blues
26-07-2004, 11:01 AM
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If yall actually knew the story, itd make more sence.
The bills.
The place the wastegate was mounted
The fact that the engine blew twice in a row, both times literally within seconds of the first time foot was put to the floor.
The fact that the boost was going sky high due to where the wastegate was put means as far as i can see it was not road tested at all and i cant even see how it was mapped in that situation either...
Ians not saying "Im not happy with EA and not using them again as they made the car throw a rod"
Way more into it than that, i mean a car throwing a rod could be bad luck...
The bills.
The place the wastegate was mounted
The fact that the engine blew twice in a row, both times literally within seconds of the first time foot was put to the floor.
The fact that the boost was going sky high due to where the wastegate was put means as far as i can see it was not road tested at all and i cant even see how it was mapped in that situation either...
Ians not saying "Im not happy with EA and not using them again as they made the car throw a rod"
Way more into it than that, i mean a car throwing a rod could be bad luck...
26-07-2004, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Gremlinnet.com
Originally Posted by Ian@Racetek
Kev....yep I own it at the moment! Thanks for the sympathy. Waaaaaaaaa!
Craig.... yep. They say you learn from your mistakes, I've have had a long learning curve here!
Dan.....my god dont say that!!! Noooooooooo!
Craig.... yep. They say you learn from your mistakes, I've have had a long learning curve here!
Dan.....my god dont say that!!! Noooooooooo!
Your car is fooking loverly and without trying to sounds a cont it's at the wrong place IMO for the kind attention to detail I know your be loooking for. Any of the following would have been more suitable IMO:
Reyland, Zoo, Karl @ NMS or Stu/Kenny at MSD..........
(in no particular order!!)
Cheers,
Dan
26-07-2004, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Karl
turbinator,
The GT range use BALL bearing technology NOT roller-bearings, and it is a new concept, so the testing you did years ago is not applicable to these turbos!
I ran my old GT turbo for 15,000miles and upon strip down the ball bearings were as NEW!!!!
The GT range use BALL bearing technology NOT roller-bearings, and it is a new concept, so the testing you did years ago is not applicable to these turbos!
I ran my old GT turbo for 15,000miles and upon strip down the ball bearings were as NEW!!!!
then I have some questions for you...
why is it then that NOT ONE car uses the ball/rollerbearing in rally ??
not even on THIS day!!
and we got our hands on this new technology very early.. and none of the engines made it to the finish line.. as with the none rollerbearing/ballbearing turbos we get there almost always..
I will not trust this ball/roller/ blabla bearing on a track when I go flat out for 5 laps in a row.. I do trust my 247 shafted turbo with this...
because i do this often!!
maybe you can trust this going in a straight line and sometimes nailing it to the floor.. but that aint the way my rightfoot behaves..
26-07-2004, 11:54 AM
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Having seen a certain person's engine off here (fitted with a GT35), if Cossie400s is anything like that, then the person concerned should not be allowed to design these type of installs, as he hasn't got a fucking clue 
. All engines built to this spec are ticking time bombs just waiting to explode.... 
Using EGR tubes for the wastegate feed .
. All engines built to this spec are ticking time bombs just waiting to explode.... Using EGR tubes for the wastegate feed
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26-07-2004, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Having seen a certain person's engine off here (fitted with a GT35), if Cossie400s is anything like that, then the person concerned should not be allowed to design these type of installs, as he hasn't got a fucking clue . All engines built to this spec are ticking time bombs just waiting to explode....
Using EGR tubes for the wastegate feed .
. All engines built to this spec are ticking time bombs just waiting to explode.... Using EGR tubes for the wastegate feed
.For the "non technical" types (me), what are EGR tubes? Why are they unsuitable for the job?
And, what is the proper way to to it?
Very curious
26-07-2004, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Using EGR tubes for the wastegate feed .
.I dont belive for one second the car was test driven or even mapped properly by EA as it wouldve been impossible with as good as no wastegate flow, so unlimited boost...
26-07-2004, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
For the "non technical" types (me), what are EGR tubes? Why are they unsuitable for the job?
And, what is the proper way to to it?
Very curious
And, what is the proper way to to it?
Very curious
EGR Anti-Lag setup.They are tiny.
A proper wategate position will be coming off the ex manifold where the 4 pipes joins to 1, and of a suitable size (ie no smaller than the wastegate opening).
26-07-2004, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
Doug, EGR tubes, were the small pipes coming off each ex manifold header for the very EGR Anti-Lag setup.
They are tiny.
A proper wategate position will be coming off the ex manifold where the 4 pipes joins to 1, and of a suitable size (ie no smaller than the wastegate opening).
EGR Anti-Lag setup.They are tiny.
A proper wategate position will be coming off the ex manifold where the 4 pipes joins to 1, and of a suitable size (ie no smaller than the wastegate opening).
So, VERY fundamental to the correct working of the turbo then.....Sounds like it is not the type of mistake a DIY engine builder would make, let alone a specialist YB tuner 