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Old 12-05-2012, 09:25 PM
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Are pf09's difficult to source still?

I struggled around 18 months ago, eventually got a new black pfo9 from harvey gibbs, which will soon be up for sale, done less than 1500miles
Old 13-05-2012, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mungus
Looks like a bit of a pain to change too... perhaps best to move the throttle body completely??

Huw
Yes you do have to, as well as removing the hose, once removed, it's then held on by two screws to the T/B, you will need a new gasket as well most likely as well.

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Old 13-05-2012, 11:35 AM
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would have thought someone would have remade some of these by now. especially as severaly other cars & bikes use the same ones
Old 13-05-2012, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
stick the probes in pin 11 and 30 and note the result meter set to 20volts DC
then pin 11 and 17 and check voltage readings at min throttle ,quarter throttle half throttle and full throttle
ignition on
Morning... right, results are in!!

Probe @ 11 &GND = 0V
Probe @30 &GND = 0.4V (dropped to 0.28V)
Probe in @ 11&30 = 0.07V (dropped to 0.04V)

11 & 30 is 500 ohms
30 & 16 is 0 ohms (should be 300-600?)
30& 17 is 0 ohms (should be 600 - 40?)

No voltage readings when on pin 11 and 17 through any throttle range ??

Any ideas?
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Originally Posted by Mungus
Morning... right, results are in!!

Probe @ 11 &GND = 0V
Probe @30 &GND = 0.4V (dropped to 0.28V)
Probe in @ 11&30 = 0.07V (dropped to 0.04V)

11 & 30 is 500 ohms
30 & 16 is 0 ohms (should be 300-600?)
30& 17 is 0 ohms (should be 600 - 40?)

No voltage readings when on pin 11 and 17 through any throttle range ??

Any ideas?
Huw
11 and 30 should have given you 5 volts
check voltage ignition on between 1 and 20
unplug all the sensors from under the bonnet ant check 11 and 30 again
and 1 and 30 volts dc ignition on ecu plugged in

you won't get anything out of pin 17 or 15 without having 5volts at pin 30

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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
11 and 30 should have given you 5 volts
check voltage ignition on between 1 and 20
unplug all the sensors from under the bonnet ant check 11 and 30 again
and 1 and 30 volts dc ignition on ecu plugged in

you won't get anything out of pin 17 or 15 without having 5volts at pin 30
OK, will do,

Shes running like a pig, irratic idle, popping etc etc. Is this a TPS contribution factor?
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you shouldn't be running it
I'm surprised it starts
sort the input data out first as per instructions
fix all the faults you find then reassess the situation
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
11 and 30 should have given you 5 volts
check voltage ignition on between 1 and 20
unplug all the sensors from under the bonnet ant check 11 and 30 again
and 1 and 30 volts dc ignition on ecu plugged in

you won't get anything out of pin 17 or 15 without having 5volts at pin 30
Right,

Confirming pin 11 and GND = 0V
30 and GND = 0V

Voltage pin 20 and GND = 0V

All sensors unplugged - ignition on during all the above. Digi Meter tested on battery OK!! lol

Have since tested all pins against GND (1) and the only reading I get is from pin 10 @ 7V .

Getting the feeling something isnt right here!
Old 13-05-2012, 10:13 PM
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back to the topic hows it going crystal cossie all sorted ?
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Fitted second hand pfo1, it's better but still a flat spot a t about 1500rpm, although it is much more driveable than before as it only happens now and again. I set it up with tb out with 4.8 at closed and 0.3 fully open. I suppose the only way to completly get rid of the problem is to change to pf09 and l8 ecu. Still got the turbo smoking issue T38 RB as mentioned on a previous thread spoke to craig at CR turbos and they are sending me out a 0.8 oil reducer as opposed to the 1.0mm one i have hope this cures the oil consumption
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Originally Posted by crystal cossie
Fitted second hand pfo1, it's better but still a flat spot a t about 1500rpm, although it is much more driveable than before as it only happens now and again. I set it up with tb out with 4.8 at closed and 0.3 fully open. I suppose the only way to completly get rid of the problem is to change to pf09 and l8 ecu. Still got the turbo smoking issue T38 RB as mentioned on a previous thread spoke to craig at CR turbos and they are sending me out a 0.8 oil reducer as opposed to the 1.0mm one i have hope this cures the oil consumption
If you have L8 ECU you NEED PF09, if you have L6 you NEED PF01.

The trouble with the TPS is a particular area of the sensor wears in the area you describe, causing the flat spot.

You can repair the tracks with a lead pencil, I believe.

Martin
Old 15-05-2012, 12:52 PM
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pfo1 starts open circuit at throttle closed
slight throttle butterfly movement is then 5v progressing linearly down to almost 0 volts at pin 17
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