RS 500 & 3 door Cossie
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RS 500 & 3 door Cossie
Im almost sure that the original whale tail 3 door Cossie was 204bhp and the RS500 being 224bhp are 2 different cars?
Im i correct in saying this as whenever i have brought up Cosworths in conversation the RS500 is always brought up to which everyone i know or have spoken to thinks the original whale tail Cossie is an RS500 and they were all called RS500, im sure they are different, if so what was the original 204bhp whale tail Cossie called/known as?
Im i correct in saying this as whenever i have brought up Cosworths in conversation the RS500 is always brought up to which everyone i know or have spoken to thinks the original whale tail Cossie is an RS500 and they were all called RS500, im sure they are different, if so what was the original 204bhp whale tail Cossie called/known as?
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500 three doors were held back by ford from the 5500 planned 3door cossy's built. These 500 were turned in to RS500's, 500 being the number made of course, they looked very similar but had some subtle differences to make them the ultimate track weapons of the era. Namely a stronger block and bigger turbos and an extra rail of injectors.
Cosmetically they have an extra lower rear spoiler and the upper rear has a lip at the edge, bigger vents in the bumper etc. There are other small differences but thats it basically. Buying one now expect to pay a 50% premium over a normal 3 door coss for the rarity.
Hope that helps
Cosmetically they have an extra lower rear spoiler and the upper rear has a lip at the edge, bigger vents in the bumper etc. There are other small differences but thats it basically. Buying one now expect to pay a 50% premium over a normal 3 door coss for the rarity.
Hope that helps
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Not RARE any more because ( Darren Barber) has said he has nearly
300 (rs500s) on file... ....20years.... on more and more are be coming RS500s, At this rate they will be 500 , (again) ( Rs500s )
just keep reshelling L.O.L.
300 (rs500s) on file... ....20years.... on more and more are be coming RS500s, At this rate they will be 500 , (again) ( Rs500s )
just keep reshelling L.O.L.
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There were 506 RS500's made, or rather modified over the original 3 door which they all started out as.
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
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Originally Posted by tabetha
There were 506 RS500's made, or rather modified over the original 3 door which they all started out as.
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
You do talk rubbish....
There is so much bulls--t about RS500's because of people like you.
You were probably in small trousers when these were made
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Originally Posted by Karting
Originally Posted by tabetha
There were 506 RS500's made, or rather modified over the original 3 door which they all started out as.
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
You do talk rubbish....
There is so much bulls--t about RS500's because of people like you.
You were probably in small trousers when these were made
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Originally Posted by DD
Originally Posted by Karting
Originally Posted by tabetha
There were 506 RS500's made, or rather modified over the original 3 door which they all started out as.
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
You do talk rubbish....
There is so much bulls--t about RS500's because of people like you.
You were probably in small trousers when these were made
Mart.
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Originally Posted by Karting
Not RARE any more because ( Darren Barber) has said he has nearly
300 (rs500s) on file... ....20years.... on more and more are be coming RS500s, At this rate they will be 500 , (again) ( Rs500s )
just keep reshelling L.O.L.
300 (rs500s) on file... ....20years.... on more and more are be coming RS500s, At this rate they will be 500 , (again) ( Rs500s )
just keep reshelling L.O.L.
Daz
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Originally Posted by Karting
Originally Posted by tabetha
There were 506 RS500's made, or rather modified over the original 3 door which they all started out as.
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
You do talk rubbish....
There is so much bulls--t about RS500's because of people like you.
You were probably in small trousers when these were made
Daz
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Originally Posted by darren barber
Originally Posted by Karting
Originally Posted by tabetha
There were 506 RS500's made, or rather modified over the original 3 door which they all started out as.
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
You do talk rubbish....
There is so much bulls--t about RS500's because of people like you.
You were probably in small trousers when these were made
Daz
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Re: RS 500 & 3 door Cossie
Originally Posted by godzilla
Im almost sure that the original whale tail 3 door Cossie was 204bhp and the RS500 being 224bhp are 2 different cars?
Im i correct in saying this as whenever i have brought up Cosworths in conversation the RS500 is always brought up to which everyone i know or have spoken to thinks the original whale tail Cossie is an RS500 and they were all called RS500, im sure they are different, if so what was the original 204bhp whale tail Cossie called/known as?
Im i correct in saying this as whenever i have brought up Cosworths in conversation the RS500 is always brought up to which everyone i know or have spoken to thinks the original whale tail Cossie is an RS500 and they were all called RS500, im sure they are different, if so what was the original 204bhp whale tail Cossie called/known as?
As follows, Ford Technical Service Bulletin regarding introduction of RS500.
Regards.
Claude
Présentation RS500 TSB
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Originally Posted by tabetha
There were 506 RS500's made, or rather modified over the original 3 door which they all started out as.
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
These were modified by TICKFORD, hence why they have a TICKFORD badge either side on the front wings near the indicator repeater light, these badges sell for stupid money but an almost identical badge in all but slight size difference can be bought for an MG maestro for a few pounds.
A main difference was underneath the car, there were brackets for location arms, not present on any other sierra, the battery tray is HACKSAWED off at the corner to clear the extra rail, which is NOT wired up, as std, it has as said a lower rear spoiler from a 2.0is sierra which the non RS500 does not have.
The T4 also set it apart from the others.
As said 204bhp std 224 for RS500.
tabetha
Sorry
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The lower spolier only has the cut out to allow it to fit around the cossie spoiler where it meets the boot lid, plus a 'c' on its part number to differentiate it, otherwise its much the same thing as Tab suggests.
Many rs500s have decent looking lower spoilers because of this easy mod.
The tech spec is a great way to be sure of Ford facts - well posted by 2001ode. Lets enjoy these cars folks eh??
Happy xmas
Many rs500s have decent looking lower spoilers because of this easy mod.
The tech spec is a great way to be sure of Ford facts - well posted by 2001ode. Lets enjoy these cars folks eh??
Happy xmas
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I always thought karting was supposed to be helpful to people...obviously not, why couldnt he be more polite like Paul was.
Thought this was supposed to be friendly place, all work together to enjoy these cars.
Thought this was supposed to be friendly place, all work together to enjoy these cars.
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When certain people have a limited vocabulary I often feel so sorry for them.
It appears I do not know the RS500's well for that I am sorry and hereby appologise, I am here to learn as well, and as can be seen do not get everything right, but certainly do NOT consider myself a SELF APPOINTED EXPERT.
I am 42 by the way so I was not in little trousers when the RS500's came out, my own personal opinion is they are way overpriced/overhyped but each to thier own and all that.
I even like Austin allegro's and my fave two cars are Rover P6, and Morris Marina Estate, I think we can all agree they are not the best cars in the world, but it just shows diverse tastes people have.,
I have a 330bhp 2wd sapph myself, despite what some on here beleive.
tabetha
It appears I do not know the RS500's well for that I am sorry and hereby appologise, I am here to learn as well, and as can be seen do not get everything right, but certainly do NOT consider myself a SELF APPOINTED EXPERT.
I am 42 by the way so I was not in little trousers when the RS500's came out, my own personal opinion is they are way overpriced/overhyped but each to thier own and all that.
I even like Austin allegro's and my fave two cars are Rover P6, and Morris Marina Estate, I think we can all agree they are not the best cars in the world, but it just shows diverse tastes people have.,
I have a 330bhp 2wd sapph myself, despite what some on here beleive.
tabetha
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Originally Posted by tabetha
When certain people have a limited vocabulary I often feel so sorry for them.
It appears I do not know the RS500's well for that I am sorry and hereby appologise, I am here to learn as well, and as can be seen do not get everything right, but certainly do NOT consider myself a SELF APPOINTED EXPERT.
I am 42 by the way so I was not in little trousers when the RS500's came out, my own personal opinion is they are way overpriced/overhyped but each to thier own and all that.
I even like Austin allegro's and my fave two cars are Rover P6, and Morris Marina Estate, I think we can all agree they are not the best cars in the world, but it just shows diverse tastes people have.,
I have a 330bhp 2wd sapph myself, despite what some on here beleive.
tabetha
It appears I do not know the RS500's well for that I am sorry and hereby appologise, I am here to learn as well, and as can be seen do not get everything right, but certainly do NOT consider myself a SELF APPOINTED EXPERT.
I am 42 by the way so I was not in little trousers when the RS500's came out, my own personal opinion is they are way overpriced/overhyped but each to thier own and all that.
I even like Austin allegro's and my fave two cars are Rover P6, and Morris Marina Estate, I think we can all agree they are not the best cars in the world, but it just shows diverse tastes people have.,
I have a 330bhp 2wd sapph myself, despite what some on here beleive.
tabetha
Ps ,,Love the rover P6 , a real mean looking Mafia staff car ,, not sure on the Marina tho
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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by tabetha
When certain people have a limited vocabulary I often feel so sorry for them.
It appears I do not know the RS500's well for that I am sorry and hereby appologise, I am here to learn as well, and as can be seen do not get everything right, but certainly do NOT consider myself a SELF APPOINTED EXPERT.
I am 42 by the way so I was not in little trousers when the RS500's came out, my own personal opinion is they are way overpriced/overhyped but each to thier own and all that.
I even like Austin allegro's and my fave two cars are Rover P6, and Morris Marina Estate, I think we can all agree they are not the best cars in the world, but it just shows diverse tastes people have.,
I have a 330bhp 2wd sapph myself, despite what some on here beleive.
tabetha
It appears I do not know the RS500's well for that I am sorry and hereby appologise, I am here to learn as well, and as can be seen do not get everything right, but certainly do NOT consider myself a SELF APPOINTED EXPERT.
I am 42 by the way so I was not in little trousers when the RS500's came out, my own personal opinion is they are way overpriced/overhyped but each to thier own and all that.
I even like Austin allegro's and my fave two cars are Rover P6, and Morris Marina Estate, I think we can all agree they are not the best cars in the world, but it just shows diverse tastes people have.,
I have a 330bhp 2wd sapph myself, despite what some on here beleive.
tabetha
Ps ,,Love the rover P6 , a real mean looking Mafia staff car ,, not sure on the Marina tho
i am one of those people who did not think there was many differences on a 500 trust me i was ohh so wrong!!!there is quite a few
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Does anyone have a picture of the alternative mounting points for section 16, I looked for these on a friends RS500 and could not see them. The care has been on the cover of fast fords and is in some of the classic photos so I am pretty sure it is not a converted car.
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Originally Posted by oohogwash1
Does anyone have a picture of the alternative mounting points for section 16, I looked for these on a friends RS500 and could not see them. The care has been on the cover of fast fords and is in some of the classic photos so I am pretty sure it is not a converted car.
Here is a beam with the extra brackets going to be fitted
Here is one bracket
Here is the rear beam on a 500 in place
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There was a special feature in fast ford mag i think which told us all the different parts compared to the normal 3dr cossie. Dont fall out with each other on this site we are all friends on here. Well sometimes hee hee.
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Originally Posted by glennshute
There was a special feature in fast ford mag i think which told us all the different parts compared to the normal 3dr cossie. Dont fall out with each other on this site we are all friends on here. Well sometimes hee hee.
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Originally Posted by AndyPen
Were these ever actually used Paul or were they there just to get it approved / homoglated? Looking at mine I can't see how they could possibly be robust enough as they stand?
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Originally Posted by AndyPen
Were these ever actually used Paul or were they there just to get it approved / homoglated? Looking at mine I can't see how they could possibly be robust enough as they stand?
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Two topics
One
I have my rear beam out and sandblasted, I wonder if I should add these on, if I did would I need different wishbones to accomodate these I guess.
I have a spare set that I can modify.
I don't know how you realise the benefit... I will make the necessary changes. It might just help on track days
Two
Also on the list, one item I did not see in the list was the different front hubs... I have a set here which have a different roll center.... they are supposedly of an rs500. The tca connector is about an inch lower... which makes the car better set up when lowered.... I figured makes sense to me so I grabbed em.
I have not heard much talk on those... I think that should have made the list if it were true as I read (dont shoot the messenger please)
I would think that would help people on track days too ?
One
I have my rear beam out and sandblasted, I wonder if I should add these on, if I did would I need different wishbones to accomodate these I guess.
I have a spare set that I can modify.
I don't know how you realise the benefit... I will make the necessary changes. It might just help on track days
Two
Also on the list, one item I did not see in the list was the different front hubs... I have a set here which have a different roll center.... they are supposedly of an rs500. The tca connector is about an inch lower... which makes the car better set up when lowered.... I figured makes sense to me so I grabbed em.
I have not heard much talk on those... I think that should have made the list if it were true as I read (dont shoot the messenger please)
I would think that would help people on track days too ?
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Originally Posted by oohogwash1
Two topics
One
I have my rear beam out and sandblasted, I wonder if I should add these on, if I did would I need different wishbones to accomodate these I guess.
I have a spare set that I can modify.
I don't know how you realise the benefit... I will make the necessary changes. It might just help on track days
Two
Also on the list, one item I did not see in the list was the different front hubs... I have a set here which have a different roll center.... they are supposedly of an rs500. The tca connector is about an inch lower... which makes the car better set up when lowered.... I figured makes sense to me so I grabbed em.
I have not heard much talk on those... I think that should have made the list if it were true as I read (dont shoot the messenger please)
I would think that would help people on track days too ?
One
I have my rear beam out and sandblasted, I wonder if I should add these on, if I did would I need different wishbones to accomodate these I guess.
I have a spare set that I can modify.
I don't know how you realise the benefit... I will make the necessary changes. It might just help on track days
Two
Also on the list, one item I did not see in the list was the different front hubs... I have a set here which have a different roll center.... they are supposedly of an rs500. The tca connector is about an inch lower... which makes the car better set up when lowered.... I figured makes sense to me so I grabbed em.
I have not heard much talk on those... I think that should have made the list if it were true as I read (dont shoot the messenger please)
I would think that would help people on track days too ?
Mart.
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Originally Posted by oohogwash1
Two topics
One
I have my rear beam out and sandblasted, I wonder if I should add these on, if I did would I need different wishbones to accomodate these I guess.
I have a spare set that I can modify.
I don't know how you realise the benefit... I will make the necessary changes. It might just help on track days
Two
Also on the list, one item I did not see in the list was the different front hubs... I have a set here which have a different roll center.... they are supposedly of an rs500. The tca connector is about an inch lower... which makes the car better set up when lowered.... I figured makes sense to me so I grabbed em.
I have not heard much talk on those... I think that should have made the list if it were true as I read (dont shoot the messenger please)
I would think that would help people on track days too ?
One
I have my rear beam out and sandblasted, I wonder if I should add these on, if I did would I need different wishbones to accomodate these I guess.
I have a spare set that I can modify.
I don't know how you realise the benefit... I will make the necessary changes. It might just help on track days
Two
Also on the list, one item I did not see in the list was the different front hubs... I have a set here which have a different roll center.... they are supposedly of an rs500. The tca connector is about an inch lower... which makes the car better set up when lowered.... I figured makes sense to me so I grabbed em.
I have not heard much talk on those... I think that should have made the list if it were true as I read (dont shoot the messenger please)
I would think that would help people on track days too ?
Also ,,the std 3 door and the 500 have the same front hubs , these are not the same as the 2wd saff tho , i believe they are a better hub regarding there setup but not 100% why or what it is
All i know for sure is the 3dorr/500 has a nut on the bottom ball joint and the later saffs have a pinch bolt
Paul