Have you looked on here;- http://www.msefi.com/index.php lots of backup and help with MS, all free too and people wonder why tuners dont like it

 

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/m...-kit-p-59.html

 

cheers ill read those later

 

Quote a few months ago now thankfully

You do that while mapping on the road do you?

Prey tell me how so I hold all those things completely static while mapping a 300bhp per tonne car on the road?

 

PMSL, tell me about it, you will set the brakes on fire after a couple of seconds, the only way is to do a high gear pull as the bins change too quickly everywhere else, and thats not easy mapping at 100+mph! gets a bit bouncy and nerve racking lol. "just try that again" as your are running out of road!

 

chip was one of the lucky ones with mtech stay away at all costs either call harvey gibbs or martin hadland and get a pectel t2

 

Here's the Emerald map from my RS2000 to play with

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rs2300/44-9.fig

 

cheer mate.


Pectel?????!!!???? another!!???? just when it couldnt get any more confusing.

just to recap i'm not going to be running 300bhp per ton.

 

It doesn't matter what bhp you want, just get a ecu, and if not mapping yourself a tuner/mapper you are happy with and have confidence in.
I use a K3, they've been K6 for a while now to excellent effect, mapped by DW from emerald, seriously have NO complaints, I took up about 1 hour of his/rollers time yesterday, but had a "issue" with a monumental air leak, so took car home to fix, he didn't even charge me, found fault and fixed, with bore scope, needed a running in map for new engine.
So long as the ecu can do the job function wise, and it's mapped correctly/well then make in not important, I personally think it's 10% ecu 90% mapper that makes the difference, and that's why I use emerald.
Emerald will NOT send out a ecu without a base map, this will be the nearest map they have for your engine configuration, to clear any confusion.
tabetha

 

Pectel is a great ecu jimbo has one on his escort rst loves it

https://passionford.com/forum/members/30729-j1mbo.html

there a real company not hobbiests lol either reyland or scs will supply them and if its to far to travel for a map the msd aint far from you

 

As Jay said my 303bhp cvh is on pectel, t2 is a basic ecu, it's does every of the basic things you need to run and it does a good job, I do love mine lol

It's not mega cheap but it will go forever and won't give you any problems like some of the cheap stuff on the Market! I'd highly recommend it

 

cheers. im not going turbo - im going the tuned NA route which wont produce loopy power figures but its about making the car better, not changing it into something else.

 

Oh sorry I didn't read the thread just saw 300hp cvh lol but pectel t2 does atmo too we just done a zetec on it atmo with carbs ported head etc, 212bhp at 7500rpm

 

I sit in the passenger seat,aslong as you are quickfingered its fine,whoever is driving needs to understand not to move the throttle(unless they have too due to traffic),i have few steep hills near me and there great for loading,after a few miles of driving at different load and map sites i park up and check everything via data logs,then interpolate inbetween load sites that you are happy with.at the end of the day it still needs to go on the rollers to fine tune and get the most out of an engine.

 

so with regard to mapping do you map the "no load" site first, then go out and map the "max load" site and the software can create a graph of all of them? [wont be hard with a theoretical 110 bhp and the long drag from saddleworth moor uphill towards leeds

then you use the same values for the top load site of each range [gear yeah?] then the software can fill in the values i between? if not i take it you will have to enter these values yourself using a shallow parabolic curve as a guide?

i had a look at Mark V8's map of his RS2k on the demo download software, and thats what it sort of looks like. i appreciate that the power delivery for an 8v will be different to a 16v - a bit more torquey with more fuel/less advance coming in earlier than the 16v...

do i sound retarded?

 

not as simple as that, not everything is linear,you must of heard of igntion "curve" ,for example in theory if you boost an engine by 1 bar then you will need twice as much fuel and igntion but this is not the case,as you put extra charge in, the compressed air whether it be turbo or supercharged the air is heated from compression therefore there is actually less oxygen in the air charge,i would start at idle and then go every 1000rpm,alot is guess work but on a rolling road you actually see the effects the changes you are making can have on power and torque.
another non linear factor to engines is the v.e or volumetric efficency,the restrictions in the intake and exhaust of engines can effect the amount of charge that is in the cylinder,you could have 1 bar boost and at 3000rpm the cylinder will have a high effeciency, as the piston moves faster the speed of the air flow gets restricted by the size of valves etc and the actual charge in the cylinder gets less,this is reflected in many torque curves for engines and has to be taken into consideration when mapping an engine,I think alot of it is trial,you can hold a car on a set rpm and load and add fuel and igntion and see the torque rise but at a point it will go start to decrease.You can do this every 1000rpm to start and then interpolate between them all and this will give a ball park figure map.I am no expert and alot of the guys out there map cars everyday and i'm sure they each have there own way of doing it.