bains1000

Hi

I've been looking at purchasing a new car for a while and no matter what I look at I always seem to come back to the Mondeo Titanium X sport. I test drove a Titanium X at the weekend and was very impressed with the car, IMO you get a lot for the money, especially with the Titanium X and sport.

I am looking to get one that is between 6 months to 2 years old, fairly low mileage, as many extras as possible, a must is the touch screen sat nav system and I think it has to be black... i know I am limiting my search!!

I just wondered if there were any Titanium X sport owners on here and what your experiences have been? Is there much difference between the 2.0L and the 2.2Ltr in performance?
Does anyone have any recommendations of where to look, I am based in Kent but willing to travel to get the right car.
I have my local Ford dealer suggesting cars but they seem to be a little pricey compared to some of the searches I have been doing on-line.

thanks

the_frozen_one

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Darren cruse in gravesend. Mondeo specialist. Plenty of quality mk4s up there.

Bought an 09 titanium up there last Friday, picked in up next day. Quality place

the_frozen_one

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Ps the touch screen nav is a ball ache, everyone in the know looks for one without, which isn't that hard to find. Black is the more common colour. I don't trust the 2.0 or 2.2, but if you're after performance the 2.2 is your bet. Otherwise you might as well have the 1.8, it's better than the 2.0 and you won't hardly notice the difference

steve_o

if you dont care for fuel economy then go for the 2.2, but the 2.0 diesel isnt far off performance wise and does far more mpg than the 2.2, be lucky to get more than 35mpg from the 2.2!

black_jack

You will always pay a "bit" more from a Ford dealer

There are different versions of the 2.0L diesel, at different power levels, the 163Hp is "peaky"("gutless" at low revs) and needs to be redlined through the gears to get the performance, especially off the line/ at low speeds, it has a narrow power/ torque band and has very little power below 2k, and above 4k, Ford offered a software update, but a bluefin/ remap/ digital tuning box helps "fix" it the 140Hp may appear to have less power "on paper" but is more tractable/ quicker on the road in more situations than the 163 due to the wider spread of power/ torque

There are 2 different types od 2.2 (diesel) the earlier 172Hp (which was replaced by the 163 2.0L in the lineup) and the 200ps 2.2

The 2.2L is quite a bit more powerful than one of the 2.0 and you can remap the 200ps to 220Hp (psa engine)

There is a petrol turbo with the same 225Hp 5cylinder 2.5L (Volvo) engine as the Focus ST - this is quick but a proper gas- guzzler (can be modified to 300+Hp, just like the Focus)

Its a big, fairly heavy car and the 1.8 is a bit small for it, i would avoid the 2.0L 163Hp (for the reasons above) and recommend the 2.0L 140Hp or the 2.2s

Any reference to 2.0L or 2.2L mk4s/ "mk4.5s" - make sure you know WHICH 2.0L or 2.2L

bains1000

Thanks for the details responses everyone.

In my searching I have found more cars without the sat nav system however I think the dashboard looks too basic with the standard radio. Why do people avoid the sat nav system?

I'm not overly fussed about performance, I won't be taking this on any tracks, I currently drive a Civic diesel (140BHP) which I do find very nippy. Kids are getting bigger now so I need something bigger hence looking at the Mondeo, what I do like about the Civic is even with 4 people in the car if I'm doing say 80 on the motorway I can put my foot down if I need the extra power. This car has a lot of pull for a small(ish) engine.

The reason for being sold on the sport is the twin exhaust and bodykit. I have been told by the dealer near me today that the automatics don't come with a spoiler so I am now looking for a manual.

Thanks

RichieST

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I've got the touch screen sat nav in my focus (presume it is a similar system) and it works brilliantly!

Carlos-Titx

The sat nav in my old focus st and it was a bag of wank!

I've tried the sat nav on the mk5 mondeo and that's no better.

I have the 2.0 140 Mk 5 mondeo TitX and its a great car.

bains1000

thanks guys, i think i will go for the sat nav system.

I'm looking at getting either a 2011 or 2012 mondeo, what mk would this be?

RichieST

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Why did you think the sat nav was no good carlos?

Carlos-Titx

Mines the Mk 4 sorry, Mk 5 ain't out till 2014 lol.

That age will be 4.5 I believe.

Rich, wasn't very user friendly compared to proper sat navs. And goin to my aunts in camebridge each time was a different route and usually a shit one.

Compared to a proper sat nav it was no where near as good.

But I did like the fact it was in there though for the touch screen heating and radio controls.

RichieST

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Fair enough, I think it's good enough, just as good as a tomtom for a simple whack a post code in and off you go. A tomtom certainly is easier to edit your route and do a bit of forward planning etc on though.

DanW@FastFord

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You're the first person I've ever heard say that, and I couldn't disagree more! The Peugeot derived 2.0, and 2.2 is a fantastic engine, and massively more reliable and less prone to problems than the Mk3 TDCi. The 1.8 on the other hand has several known issues, and feels very underpowered compared to the 2.0.

Some owners complain that the 2.2 lacks bottom end torque, but a remap will sort that.

DanW@FastFord

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If you don't want to pay a premium for the Sport, buy a regular Tit X, and fit the kit!

The Youth.

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the red stitching makes a difference tho
im looking for one of these myself, but find the colours a bit poor, the only one I like is the silver and that rare and it must be a 2.2

steve

the_frozen_one

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That's because I work in Engine R&D at the big blue oval ( sorry to be vague, not allowed to say much in public or HR knock on my door ) and I know the real truth

DanW@FastFord

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I'm sure you know plenty of secrets - but there are by far more 'issues' reported on forums with the 1.8 than the 2.0.

I've also driven both and the 1.8 is a slug in comparison.

DanW@FastFord

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Agree the Sport does look lovely with the stitching and if I had the cash I'd have gone for one! Good look with your search!

the_frozen_one

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One of best secrets is that 90% of all TDCI issues are caused by the owner we can get 200k out of a pump, dmf, set of injectors, egr etc etc etc

the_frozen_one

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But this isn't a willy waving competition. It's horses for courses. People drive differently, having different priorities and so on and so forth. The key with all car decisions be it trim level, engine size, what mods etc is to ignore all the "experts" on forums and buy what you what and have what you want. If you want a 2.2 Sport have one,

DanW@FastFord

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Agree. I'd wager that pottering about is the main killer.

bains1000

Wow lots of responses!!

My days of messing with bodykits and cars are long gone, i struggle to find the time to take my current car for a wash, id rather just buy one with a kit on it.

The reason for opting for the sat nav screen wasn't actually for the sat nav, I have a Tom Tom, I just like the touch screen controls and I think for a high spec car the sony radio just looks a bit basic.

Prior to the Mondeo I was looking at (Hold his breath) BMW 5 Series and Audi A4 but I keep coming back to the mondeo as it so much cheaper and I think its a good car for its money. A friend of mine sold his Range Rover Sport a couple of years ago for a Mondeo titanium X and loves the car.

it's a shame the Mk5 isn't out yet, that looks great.

Thanks for all your feedback, much appreciated, titanium X sport here i come!!

Carlos-Titx

Get some pics up when it's bought.

Good luck on your search.

Carlos-Titx

Mk5 was next year but I think it's delayed till 2014 now as ford may be closing factories or something as I read they are struggling at the moment.

Lenahaad

Hello all,

Thanks for this thread - super interesting and the reason i joined theforum! I am looking to move back to the UK late this year and am determined tobuy a Mondeo 2.0 Titanium X TDCi 2011 onwards and hoping for a good deal on theback of the Mondeo 2014/2015 revamp.

Before i read the above comments i was undecided between the 163 and theSport version. The only real question was whether the sporty aesthetics werethe only addition or whether the ride significantly more uncomfortable in thesport?

- I expect to do alot of motorway driving at roughly 20,000 miles/year

New questions I have are:

1. Now that i read that the 140 is the one to have from apower/torque band width practicality.

2. Will a standard "chip tuning" unit solve the163 issues or just amplify them?

3. Is it worth considering going down any chiping route,or is it better just sticking to the 140? i have no experience with chip tuningand how it affects insurance, engine condition, fuel consumption, power/torque promises.Any feedback on experience very much welcomed!

4. What are the “owner” induced problems with the 2.0? isit down to aggressive driving on a cold engine / not allowing it to warm upproperly before parking up? Or more to do with an inherent engine issue? What tipsto avoid the majority of the problems?

Looking to commit to buying one from October onwards.

I look forward to hearing any feedback you have.

many thanks for this wonderful site containing truly useful information.