as the title says really, is the bluefin worth £240 price tag? im not really after the power even as little as it maybe, but i would really like to eliminate the flat spots, 1st and 2nd gear feels like there is a slight dip in power then its back on again, would the bluefin be able to do this? also the nearest place to me that could offer me a remap of a bluefin is Graham Goode Racing in leicester, any one had any experience using this company are they any good?

Thanks in advance for your help

 

I think the general consensus is that dreamscience is better than bluefin, but is more costly. Also you may have to buy dreamscience second hand, so i would check ebay.

Good article here comparing the two...

http://www.fordst170.co.uk/review2.php

 

Thanks for the info I'll have a read of that, cheers

 

Although you can no longer buy a dreamscience handset new they do come up on ebay fairly often or you can have the maps uploaded at a dreamscience authorised dealer.

I have dreamscience on my st170 currently running the race 97 CAIS map and have been pleased with the results.

Although it hasn't been on the rollers I have done track days at the same track before and after mapping it and it has a fair bit more grunt. Unlike a lot of other mods you can actually feel the difference and it also eliminates the flatspots in the power curve making the acceleration harder.

The other advantage of it is if you do manage to get a dreamscience handset they can be used on 5 cars meaning they are resaleable whereas bluefin is limited to 1 car.

al

 

waste of mony on a st170 bud very little power

 

I had the Bluefin on my ST170 and swaped it for Dreamscience, the bluefinn does NOT get rid of the flat spot at 2200rpm, the dream science does. Had mine RR'd at 189bhp with Dreamscience and a few more mods

 

Sounds good, but I can't find anywhere that does the dreamscience for the st170, I mite get the bluefin and if it's crap send it back

 

Deamscience has been Discontinued for the ST170, they will remap the blackoak ECU on a one shot basis if you go down to their unit but your restricted to that one map. Look for a second hand Strategem unit and then send it to Dreamscience and for a fee they will reset it. This will give you a few levels of tune and you can switch between them, bluefinn has 4 tune levels
95 octane standard exhaust
97 octane standard exhaust
95 octane modified exhaust.
97 octane modified exhaust.

Hold out for a dreamscience if you can

 

had a quick look i'm guessing they don't do dreamscience for a tdci? :P lol

 

If you use bluefin on your TDCI you will see decent gains, a remapped TDCI will be quicker than a 2.0l zetec and not far off a standard ST170

 

hi just bought a second hand dreamscience tonight for 125 quid with 4 uploads left on it. ive driven back from halifax to birmingham after uploading for 15 minutes. running a pipercross viper cais and my baby deffo felt friskier on the way home

 

You lucky git

 

cheers box feels even better today. more responsive and that 2000 rpm hiccup gone. cant get over the difference its made !

 

i most definatly disagree.

 

just had a puzzlin moment tho. driving home in zero degrees. st felt like it had no power. wondered if it was on three cylinders. turned it off turned it on again car felt back to being quick again. is this a sign of impending doom from the dream science?? any advice?

 

strange? the dreamscience is a fault code reader as well, check if there is any faults logged

 

Hay Sp3no i don't suppose you live around the scraptoft part of leicester do you? im sure ive seen your car around that sort of area?

 

nargh not an engine light or anything. brought it home turned it off turned it on again. took it for another test drive,car seemed even faster....weird

on another note just bought a california motorsport under pulley kit. is it you whos got thaat fitted with the lightweight cluthch sp3no?

 

Its not an end of town i usually end up, i spend most of my time south leicester. My ST170 had been off the road for a few months now, its sat on the drive as after its underside resto i love it too much to drive it in winter its also waiting for its engine transplant.

Yes i have underdrive pulleys from CFM and a clutchmasters stage 3 kevlar clutch and aluminium fly. I go a CFM shoft shifter kit and exhaust vernier too.

I buy 90% of my parts from the states as even with import tax its way cheaper, i mean a set of eagle steel rods are £187.50p fooking bargain. Got all my prothane bushes from CFM too

 

yes sp3no i spotted your st on here few mths ago and discovered cfm off your spec and ive got a cfm pulley kit en route as we speak. pumaspeed want 130 for it i got it for 98 quid delivered. im fancyin a set of the cat cams that still work vvti ( i love the little extra shove). i spoke to kent and piper cams at autsport show and they dont really do much and kent were down right dereisive bout st. so looks like the states switched on to st,s. you can buy complete diy turbo/supercharger kits for 2.5 grand.lol

 

Warning about the cams for the ST170, they are very tricky to set up correctly, Will Pedley had a few issues with the figures he was supplied from the manufacturers, it ended in bent inlet valves, totally not his fault
The states have taken the focus and invested allot into aftermarket parts, all you have to watch out for is to not import any ecu flash products as our fuel is like jungle juice compared to theirs so the maps would be completely wrong. Most of the parts for my Turbo conversion are coming from the states.
The underdrive pulleys do help with engine pick up for sure, think the crank pulley is around 2kg lighter than the standard one, every little helps. i will be ditching them on my turbo'd engine though as if you dont have the harmonic balancer on the standard pulley the nose flex on the crank is likely to shatter the oil pump gears

Bear in mind you will have to pay import tax on them parts from the states, there is no way to tell how much, they dont even know how to calculate it, i would gess a tenner. If your really really lucky you wont pay a thing. I had to pay £90 import tax on my clutch and flywheel when it arrived.

 

ahh mate you doing a turbo conversion??. we need to talk. ive spoke to ian howell at area six and lovely man tho he is he, wanted 8k. not averse to paying more than that in the end but not in one lump sum. been scouring the net bout zetec turbos. ANY advice gratefully received. im going to use area six manifolds and cams. dont know what mapping to use. i thinking of buying a lump from ebay and building it up. didnt want to use sandwich plate head gaskets for the compression. how do you do the oil return for the turbo. i was thinking core plug??. im a toolmaker by trade and built many fast 205 and mini engines in my time so really fancy givin this a go.

 

if your going costom management any time in the not to distant future and want to sell on Ur deamsciance drop me a pm iv been on the look out for far too long now

 

The oil feed is tapped from the HP oil gallery at the back of the block, i bought a second hand T220 Focus engine which already had the oil feed and return machined into the block which was quite handy. But there are a number of places you can tap into.
Managment wise im remapping the standard managment, a company in the states has cracked the ecu, you buy the software for £500 and you can plug your lap top in and away you go you dont have to make a single cut or mod to the existing loom, just need to sort out the MAF sensor with a larger 3" diameter pipe or get a plug in device to adjust the reading to see the extra flow.
If you want to go 300bhp+ you will need new pistons and rods, the standard ST170 stuff will be fine below 300. You really need to work out your CR and choose a turbo and injectors to suit the spec your aiming for, the fuel system needs upgrading too. Use a sandwhich plate between the thermostate if you want a water feed to your turbo, most turbo manifolds and turbos clash with the standard breather system so you have to block off the standard one with a core plug and add a couple of breathers to the back of the block. Clutch needs upgrading etc and as you say inlet manifold. Area 6 inlet manifold is the best but it is possible to get over 380bhp from a rover turbo inlet with adaptor plate which will cost you aroun £150.
I have just scratched the surface here, im doing the build myself and the parts alone will come to over £4000 but i should see a reliable 450bhp at the end of it, it wont be done this year its a long term project, maybe next year i will be back on the road.

 

well sp3no looks like were trying to do the same thing in the same time frame. of all the so called experts best advice is off you lol.
its a lot easier with friendly advice and buying the parts as you go than shelling out 8k plus in one lump. im married i wouldnt be anymore if i spent 8k in one go on a car. keep us posted speno im only in bham as well. i still might go expensive NA route tho,lookin at throttle bodies this morning...

 

Im not far off married but have a daughter with the missus so as you can imagine, cost over a long period is ok, 4K+ on the spot not so good so i feel your pain
If you Pm me your e-mail address i will send you some pictures of my engine block and circle where the feed and drain has been tapped in the block, its really very simple. Will give you a link to the company that can supply every single item you will need to build and run the engine. They are in the states but can give superb advice, they will send a base map to match your spec, you can then tweek this yourself with their software to get the map perfect.
Ian at Area 6 does know his Zetecs, but you pay for the service.

 

ok box youve got first shout

 

waste of money for very little gain. pointless mate.

its different if you had a escort/ fiesta rs turbo and get a bajoo etc etc coz that would be worth it. does any1 see where im coming from????

only thing that annoys me about my st170 is you have to drive it hard to get the power out of it. 4k rpm plus gets you best power i find

 

I run my 03 st170 with the tcs switched off, its more responsive, also get 25-27mpg like this too