What Are The 3 Most Important Gauges For An RST?
24-09-2012, 12:59 AM
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For tuning EGT probe in each down pipe is great, especially for tuning sequential setups post mapping one as close to the turbo as possible (after the turbo) is fine.
But yea, like Karl says, its like 4 gauges in one if you know what to look for.
Roger, knock sensor/light wise.... the Phormula KS3/KS4 is hard to beat. Not cheap though.
Lol, i kind of know what you mean! too many gauges just leaves you never looking at the right one (or the road) and driving something that looks like the cock pit of a blackbird, but with the right gauges and a quick glance occasionally its manageable.
A really decent omi gauge that has warning lights/sounds and flicks to the gauge display that is getting close to its threshold limit is definitely on the 'list to make' at some point.
Rob,
But yea, like Karl says, its like 4 gauges in one if you know what to look for.
Roger, knock sensor/light wise.... the Phormula KS3/KS4 is hard to beat. Not cheap though.
so its gone from 3 gauges to the cockpit of a jumbo 
A really decent omi gauge that has warning lights/sounds and flicks to the gauge display that is getting close to its threshold limit is definitely on the 'list to make' at some point.
Rob,
25-09-2012, 09:11 PM
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Boost, oil pressure (mechanical), oil temp (shouldn't need on the road really but on track very handy) would be the minimum for me, and i always found my act gauge a handy one too as well as an accurate water temp gauge if your oe one isn't up to much!
The afr/egt ones would be good to have as well albeit a bit more expensive to buy/rig up so i'd start with the others first....if you're on aftermarket management that's properly fitted and mapped you shouldn't really have to be worried about running lean etc every time you give it a bit of stick anyway lol though i know the benefits of being able to keep an eye on things
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The afr/egt ones would be good to have as well albeit a bit more expensive to buy/rig up so i'd start with the others first....if you're on aftermarket management that's properly fitted and mapped you shouldn't really have to be worried about running lean etc every time you give it a bit of stick anyway lol though i know the benefits of being able to keep an eye on things
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25-09-2012, 09:36 PM
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The afr/egt ones would be good to have as well albeit a bit more expensive to buy/rig up so i'd start with the others first....if you're on aftermarket management that's properly fitted and mapped you shouldn't really have to be worried about running lean etc every time you give it a bit of stick anyway lol though i know the benefits of being able to keep an eye on things !
!AFR gauge is IMO more important than oil pressure.
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25-09-2012, 11:04 PM
#46
From experience id say..
Genuinely...
AFR is a must imop, best thing i bought for mine, then tbh whatever vitals you care most about get the gauge to suit.
RST's need everything monitored, imop you can never have to many a heads up with an rst.
but deffo AFR/oil pressure/volts at pump would be 1st on my list.
Genuinely...
AFR is a must imop, best thing i bought for mine, then tbh whatever vitals you care most about get the gauge to suit.
RST's need everything monitored, imop you can never have to many a heads up with an rst.
but deffo AFR/oil pressure/volts at pump would be 1st on my list.
26-09-2012, 09:25 AM
#47
For tuning EGT probe in each down pipe is great, especially for tuning sequential setups post mapping one as close to the turbo as possible (after the turbo) is fine.
But yea, like Karl says, its like 4 gauges in one if you know what to look for.
Roger, knock sensor/light wise.... the Phormula KS3/KS4 is hard to beat. Not cheap though.
Lol, i kind of know what you mean! too many gauges just leaves you never looking at the right one (or the road) and driving something that looks like the cock pit of a blackbird, but with the right gauges and a quick glance occasionally its manageable.
A really decent omi gauge that has warning lights/sounds and flicks to the gauge display that is getting close to its threshold limit is definitely on the 'list to make' at some point.
Rob,
But yea, like Karl says, its like 4 gauges in one if you know what to look for.
Roger, knock sensor/light wise.... the Phormula KS3/KS4 is hard to beat. Not cheap though.
Lol, i kind of know what you mean! too many gauges just leaves you never looking at the right one (or the road) and driving something that looks like the cock pit of a blackbird, but with the right gauges and a quick glance occasionally its manageable.
A really decent omi gauge that has warning lights/sounds and flicks to the gauge display that is getting close to its threshold limit is definitely on the 'list to make' at some point.
Rob,
Universal inputs but simple display, saves loads of gauges, looks neater and smaller, and can show 4 at a time. Bit like a non obd scangauge.
27-09-2012, 06:52 PM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Temp...item4abc6949eb
http://www.omega.com/pptst/IRCO_CHAL_P13R_P10R.html
Is it as bad then? Maybe not the best looking with all displays, but i think for montoring one is enough. At the moment you get problems you will need 4. If one cylinder doesn't fire you will see a rise in downpipe aswell!
27-09-2012, 10:06 PM
#51
Called something like LCDash, has 4 analog inputs and 6 digital in addition to all the usual Tuner Studio read outs.
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28-09-2012, 08:33 PM
#52
Don't think this has to be costly! You can get these displays and thermocouples for about 7+18 dollar each?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Temperature-Meter-for-J-type-Thermocouple-12-VDC-/320988596715?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abc69 49eb
http://www.omega.com/pptst/IRCO_CHAL_P13R_P10R.html
Is it as bad then? Maybe not the best looking with all displays, but i think for montoring one is enough. At the moment you get problems you will need 4. If one cylinder doesn't fire you will see a rise in downpipe aswell!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Temperature-Meter-for-J-type-Thermocouple-12-VDC-/320988596715?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abc69 49eb
http://www.omega.com/pptst/IRCO_CHAL_P13R_P10R.html
Is it as bad then? Maybe not the best looking with all displays, but i think for montoring one is enough. At the moment you get problems you will need 4. If one cylinder doesn't fire you will see a rise in downpipe aswell!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2M-EGT-Hig...item19d27ad52e
Its pointless leaving 4 fitted all the time IMO, the egt single probe for long term install should be fitted post turbo, the four individuals used for tuning should be fitted on each runner pretty close to the exhaust ports.
28-09-2012, 08:36 PM
#53
As karlos says you can get a touch screen type interface, however I would never use them to tune (it would be incredibly tedious) and don't want to install a screen. A nice round (normal size) gauge with a digi display, alarms and a CAN interface will suit me fine
just not enough time in the day to do one at the moment. Rob,
29-09-2012, 03:39 PM
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IMHO, guages are only useful if you have the time to monitor them.
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
29-09-2012, 05:45 PM
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IMHO, guages are only useful if you have the time to monitor them.
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
yep im with you
my next dash will be bare minimum
30-09-2012, 11:34 AM
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There are a few things available already, but I don't really see them as user friendly/ very pretty lol Do a google for megasquirt screen/display.
As karlos says you can get a touch screen type interface, however I would never use them to tune (it would be incredibly tedious) and don't want to install a screen. A nice round (normal size) gauge with a digi display, alarms and a CAN interface will suit me fine just not enough time in the day to do one at the moment.
Rob,
As karlos says you can get a touch screen type interface, however I would never use them to tune (it would be incredibly tedious) and don't want to install a screen. A nice round (normal size) gauge with a digi display, alarms and a CAN interface will suit me fine
just not enough time in the day to do one at the moment. Rob,
He said it would be easy enough to do mine, giving a scaled down dashboard similar to tuner studio??
01-10-2012, 08:36 AM
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IMHO, guages are only useful if you have the time to monitor them.
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
Tha advatage of the digital monitors is that they can datalog too. So they don't miss anything hitch could contribute to a problem.
01-10-2012, 08:45 AM
#60
Is it the LCD display you've got or just the lambda?
I'll be getting the zt-2 and LCD display next year, it's handy to have everything in one place and logged too, I'm not a fan of gauges everywhere so one simple display to mount somewhere suits me.
I'll be getting the zt-2 and LCD display next year, it's handy to have everything in one place and logged too, I'm not a fan of gauges everywhere so one simple display to mount somewhere suits me.
01-10-2012, 11:14 AM
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02-10-2012, 04:08 PM
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IMHO, guages are only useful if you have the time to monitor them.
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
Wideband is a nice tuning guide, but do you really monitor it constantly, or regularly enough to prevent a meltdown?
Fuel pressure/volts/whatever, if you REALLY feel you need to monitor that then something is wrong. If you've made sure the lines, pump and wiring are ok then you should have sufficient reliability and peace of mind not to bother. By all means monitor it for a while after upgrades or whatever but as a permanent fit? no thanks!
Oil pressure, absolutely, it's a good guide to engine condition if you get to know how it behaves at different temperatures and revs you'll soon notice any change. Again though, you're not going to notice if it drops suddenly, so get a high pressure switch to replace the OE one so if it drops below 20psi or whatever you get a big red light.
Oil temp, the change in viscosity should show as a change in pressure. Again something to monitor to ensure your system is up to capacity but once you've selected a thermostat and oil cooler and you know its ok on track, not something Id add to the dash permanently.
Boost is again a behavioral thing, you get to know how it behaves and then study any differences. Unless it can record the max spike though, Id suggest if you're reading it then you're looking in the wrong place.
To my mind, lots of things are nice to monitor for a bit when you've upgraded cooling or whatever. Others are nice to monitor on a day to day base to build up a picture of behavior. If you want to save your engine, a big red light connected to a ~20psi oil pressure switch, ~105 degree water temp switch, and a boost switch of a suitable level is what you want whilst driving hard!
The top of the line Stack gauges have adjustable warnings for high and low levels. If i upgrade that's what I'm going for as when I'm driving on hard i tend to watch the road and not gauges
02-10-2012, 04:34 PM
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! IMO oil pressure is a vital gauge, so much so that when was the last time you saw a car roll out the factory with an oe afr gauge? Plenty come with oil pressure gauges!
I wasn't saying they don't have their place either was i, as someone mentioned every gauge underthe sun has its place and can prevent meltdowns etc but for the money i'd go for the three gauges i mentioned over the afr gauge, and you'll find that most people do the same tbh.
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