EssexMikeSi

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Been thinking what i can do with my brakes to make a good reliable system with good pedal feel.

I have saph discs and calipers all round, rear compensators are long gone.

Currently have the non abs setup with the valves in engine bay, want to bin them off though to achieve even less in engine bay. Brake lines i have are nasty, been painted by someone before and its all pealing off, got couple kinks in them to.


So, been thinking shall i:-

-get rs turbo 25mm master cylinder again and send it off to Brake Engineering to freshen it up for me

- braided lines throughout

-do it so u blank off the brake reservoir outlets and then have the 2 master cylinder outlets going to t pieces, and put a wilwood bias valve somewhere in the rear line (maybe before t piece??)


Im a complete novice with this sort of thing so hence why i always ask for help etc. So, would this be a good system do u think or is there better way of doing things?

Do i have one line going down the car then spliting at rear, or shall i t piece it in engine bay then have 2 lines going to each of the rear calipers.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

mattseries2

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How ive got mine is the same as how you have explained.

But now ive ditched the servo/master cylinder for a compbrake pedal box. Wouldnt bother with braided lines through out only in engine bay and flexys (calipers).

conor.rst

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Mike don't let people over complicate it for you. Matt's got the right idea,


Some people don't agree but even if you use the standard servo and res just run one out let for front and one for rear. I no a few people who do this. Wack a bias valve in the bay or in the car for the rear and your sorted

EssexMikeSi

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Yeah i will do Conor, cheers mate

Matt- to be honest i absolutely loathe the current horrible lines it has, so was going to get braided one and be done with it lol.

conor.rst

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Its much cheaper to get copper lines but it means bending them all into place etc.....

mattseries2

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Up to you mate but bit of a waste of money imo. But ill probs end up getting some!!! lol

EssexMikeSi

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LOL!! yeah i know they're pricey but hey they look good.

Conor- yeah thats right mate, braided lines are far easier to run whereever u want them to go.

mentalasanything

+1

I plan to run it like this. I'm having the valve in the car too.

Lee

EssexMikeSi

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how comes 99% of cars have 4 lines then instead of two going to T pieces?

conor.rst

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poss somthing to do with a.b.s ?

phil_focus

modern cars have abs so have 2 lines from master cylinder to abs module which then has 4 lines out, one to each wheel.

also production cars have oposite corners piped together on the same line so if teres a fault on one line then you still have one front brake and one opposite rear brake working to offer some ballance.

the easiest system to plum in with a rear pressure reducing valve is one front pipe to t-piece to each front wheel and one rear pipe to valve to t-piece a the rear to each rear wheel.

you can then use the pressure reducing valve in the rear line to reduce the braking effort on the rear to help ballance the braking. i'll be doing that with my focus if i turn it into a track car as i prefer simple options even if the bias pedal box is the better option.

also if you have a 4 port master then you don't need a t piece in the front line and you only need to block up 1 port in the rear line.

its probably also advisable to use copper brake pipe for long stretches and just use braided fllexi for the end bits though there are some on here with full braided with no problems.

EssexMikeSi

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thanks for the reply phill, thats explained a few things i wondered. Maybe i'll use copper pipe for the length running to the back then, i guess i was just going to run braided all way through to cut down the amount of joins i'd have to make.

phil_focus

not a prob, i've been looking into braking systems for my focus and thats the info i've gleemed off the net and from my own experiance. ideally for track the bias pedal box is the way to go without servo assistance but you then have to mount the pedal box etc.

pros and cons to both, pick what suits you.

EssexMikeSi

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Yeah, mines going to be a road car so prefering to retain the servo ideally, although would of been nice to have lost the big tired looking lump lol.

Puss2

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Mike dont know if ive missed it but why not get your brake lines powder coated? Thats all i did and as said above just braided to the calipers and under the bonnet

EssexMikeSi

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hi will how you doing mate? My brake lines have a couple of kinks in them, not serious but not ideal. Plus i just thought if i had a braided line i can run it around engine bay and down out to the back and front calipers easy enough where with say copper lines im going to have to make bends etc.