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Old 18-03-2010, 04:28 PM
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Talking Drove my car for the first time today!!

Was a very strange feeling! lol

So much has changed since i last drove it so here is a little feedback....

Hydraulic clutch feels exactly like it did with a cable except a little more 'direct', definately NO lighter which is a shame

AP Racing CP2000-35 clutch is very very heavy but at lest I know it's not going to slip!

Quaife quick rack with my 17's is a big no no! It feels like the wheels are steering me and not the other way around, the steering wheel get pulled all over the place, and is VERY heavy lol

Quaife ATB LSD not really had a chance to play with yet as the engine is being run in...

Engine runs sweet as a nut!

All in all it's going to take some getting used to thats for sure!
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setting up some adjustable tca's will be alot better than a smaller wheel

usually its the width of the tyre contact on the road

i know someone who as 18" 215 drives real good after being setup right, remember more you modify from standard more adjustments going to be needed
Old 18-03-2010, 04:53 PM
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They are only 205's! lol
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
Was a very strange feeling! lol

So much has changed since i last drove it so here is a little feedback....

Hydraulic clutch feels exactly like it did with a cable except a little more 'direct', definately NO lighter which is a shame

AP Racing CP2000-35 clutch is very very heavy but at lest I know it's not going to slip!

Quaife quick rack with my 17's is a big no no! It feels like the wheels are steering me and not the other way around, the steering wheel get pulled all over the place, and is VERY heavy lol

Quaife ATB LSD not really had a chance to play with yet as the engine is being run in...

Engine runs sweet as a nut!

All in all it's going to take some getting used to thats for sure!
it should be mega light mate but depends on the slave, i have had this with certian ones, drop the master down to a .625 and that will sort it.
Old 18-03-2010, 06:30 PM
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Well done mate hope you have alot fun in it.:dd:
Old 18-03-2010, 06:41 PM
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if you have fully adjustable suspension you would be able to keep the 17"s and not feel as horrible

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Old 18-03-2010, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by crazycage
it should be mega light mate but depends on the slave, i have had this with certian ones, drop the master down to a .625 and that will sort it.
Yeah it's mega heavy!! lol
I'm using a Honda Prelude slave, so a .625 will make it lighter then? How does that work, will a smaller one not make it heavier or am I misunderstanding the way it works?
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if you have fully adjustable suspension you would be able to keep the 17"s and not feel as horrible
Nope, only adjustable dampers
Old 18-03-2010, 07:54 PM
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that must have felt good, sounds like powersteering is next though lol.
if you get a smaller slave it will deffinately make it lighter, i was just thinking of the best way to explain it but basically by making the slave smaller the hydraulic action becomes more direct on the clutch mechanism therefore making the master easier to depress.
i think that makes sense lol
Old 18-03-2010, 07:59 PM
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Yeah it did!
PAS is going on in the summer!
Crazycage is saying to drop the master down not the slave mate.
Old 18-03-2010, 08:35 PM
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Congrats mate. Enjoy...
Old 18-03-2010, 08:38 PM
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oh yeah, can't see how that would help either then lol
Old 18-03-2010, 08:40 PM
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Top stuff, very jealous not driven mine in three months and dying to get back on the road.
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dropping it down works as me and crazy did this on mine which has same clutch as you and mine is lovely now and i too have rack and once over crawling speeds i don't notice it and am on a 7.5j rim with 205's and don't get pulled all over the place sounds like you need to get tracking altered and get it set to 0 or .5toe out and see how that feels to you, will also help with torque steer but i'd get some adj tca's on it well worth it too
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Yeah it hasnt been tracked up yet, I literally have driven about 1 mile, with semi flat tyres! lol
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hope we will be seeing you at central day then, you need to get yourself on the motorway and get the miles on
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Well i'm not really interested in track use at all (gearbox wont take it), and it's my daily drive so reliability is priority (if there is such a thing with an RST) but I might come up for the day and say hello!
The MOT is tomorrow afternoon so assuming it passes i'll be getting some heavy miles on it over the next 2 weeks and mapping!
Old 18-03-2010, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
Yeah it's mega heavy!! lol
I'm using a Honda Prelude slave, so a .625 will make it lighter then? How does that work, will a smaller one not make it heavier or am I misunderstanding the way it works?

Nope, only adjustable dampers
Basically you are displacing the same amount of fluid for both sizes (like a long stroke 1.3 with small bore and a short stroke 1.3 with a big bore), a large piston would have a larger diameter but a shorter stroke for the same volume so would need to travel less to displace the same amount of fluid vs. a small piston area traveling further, difference is you have to apply a larger force for a larger piston.

Think of it like a long lever vs a short one on a spanner, a long one will undo a bolt easier but you will move it further, it will be harder to undo the bolt with the short one, but the lever will move through a smaller arc... make sense?

similar to moving your slave cylinder further down the clutch arm

Congratulations mate bet your over the moon, sorry about the crazy steering and hope my explanation made sense!

Rob,

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Old 18-03-2010, 10:08 PM
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Cheers Rob, yeah I looked it up to see how it works and have ordered the 0.625 Master now.

Yeah i'm well pleased, fingers crossed it goes through the MOT Tomorrow without too much ball ache?! lol
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Lol im sure you will be fine, there are online calculators you c

an use to work it all out perfectly. You could still try mounting the slave further out on the lever as this is free and we all like free

Rob,
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the reason the smaller cylinder will give lighter clutch is because a small bore will give higher pressure than a larger bore moving the same amount of fluid imagine turning your house tap on full and then pouring the same amount of water through a 4 inch pipe the pressure the water comes out of the tap will be much greater than the 4 inch pipe!
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Yes pressure is force per unit Area. But talking about force applied and pedal/piston travel is more relevant here.

Rob,
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its looking good,but i spose you have to expect some teething problems until everything beds in............
Old 18-03-2010, 11:04 PM
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Great to hear ýou can drive it once again.

now you can enjoy driving your rs turbo !
Old 19-03-2010, 11:07 AM
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Lucky man with cabriolet & spring time.. in U.K.
We have 60-70cm of snow & couple of nights ago -27c in the morning.
I so much hate this north and forever lasting winter.
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Yeah the weather has just started to pick up here too!
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Well after tracking it up and putting some air in the tyres it drives loads better!! Still heavy but doesnt pull me all over the place!
Missed my MOT though because the rad slipped back a bit and the alternator chewed through the bottom hose pissing water everywhere!!



Re-booked MOT for Monday...
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Well done mate! Not taken you long to get it all back up and running! I take my hat off to you sir!
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
Well after tracking it up and putting some air in the tyres it drives loads better!! Still heavy but doesnt pull me all over the place!
Missed my MOT though because the rad slipped back a bit and the alternator chewed through the bottom hose pissing water everywhere!!



Re-booked MOT for Monday...
Fook sake mate you dont have much luck do ya!! least its running and you got to drive it (briefly lol)
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Yeah I know!!! FUCKING BALL ACHE!!!! lol

If your about Monday evening for 30mins or so I could do with my slave cylinder bracket being welded if you dont mind?
Assuming I pass (or even get to) my MOT that is!!
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
Yeah I know!!! FUCKING BALL ACHE!!!! lol

If your about Monday evening for 30mins or so I could do with my slave cylinder bracket being welded if you dont mind?
Assuming I pass (or even get to) my MOT that is!!
May have to be tuesday night if thats cool? should be goin to pick another turbo up for mrs car monday after work.
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Ring piece! I'm in Ipswich Tuesday but dont want to go that far without the bracket welded or I may lose my clutch halfway there!!! lol
What about tomorrow or Sunday? I'll just have to hope the old bill dont pull me over! Unless you can bring your welder to mine?
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Done some amount of work Karlos, but im not surprised your not overly impressed with how it drives now! I've saw it loads of times, cars get modified, everything gets changed...and it ends up evolving to something which either isnt practical, or as nice to drive as a 'standard' car. IMO there is a fine line you cross when modifying a car to use on the road!
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I think with the 0.625 master cylinder, and power steering in a couple of months it will drive really well!
The engine itself is really responsive, i'm trying to drive off boost as much as possible to run it in but before I hit 2500rpm in 3rd, 4th, or 5th i'm at 8psi! I almost cant go any slower! lol
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how long are you running it in for karlos? I suppose ev erybody has there own way of doing it/ IMO and this is how i understood it that driving with boost and a constant reving engine it will bed the rings in better as they will expand and fling out on to the cylinder walls.
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aye bigger master cylinder, clutch should be lighter! which will help, quickrack for the road imo is too heavy, it really is for the track imo!

suerly you can get to over 100mph without using boost, less throtle! it'll take longer but means your not loading the engine up.

good luck with it, hopefully all the hard work will pay off
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
rad slipped back a bit and the alternator chewed through the bottom hose pissing water everywhere!!



Re-booked MOT for Monday...
DE JA VUE!
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you want to be loading the engine up on boost to run it in , its high rev's you dont want .imo.
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as above
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Originally Posted by juffer
how long are you running it in for karlos? I suppose ev erybody has there own way of doing it/ IMO and this is how i understood it that driving with boost and a constant reving engine it will bed the rings in better as they will expand and fling out on to the cylinder walls.
1000miles mate, yeah thats my understanding too!
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
aye bigger master cylinder, clutch should be lighter! which will help, quickrack for the road imo is too heavy, it really is for the track imo!

suerly you can get to over 100mph without using boost, less throtle! it'll take longer but means your not loading the engine up.

good luck with it, hopefully all the hard work will pay off
I'm sure it will pay off, cant wait for it to be run in!
100mph without boost? That would take like 3 hours of gentle acceleration on a perfectly flat road! lol
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Contacted Roose yesterday and they want £92 for one!!
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you want to be loading the engine up on boost to run it in , its high rev's you dont want .imo.
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as above
Yeah thats my plan!
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