Big Thanks to James at Auto Dynamix
10-08-2015, 05:46 PM
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Big Thanks to James at Auto Dynamix
Would just like to say a big thank you to James at Auto Dynamix.
His attention to detail and service was superb. I have learnt a bit more on Cossie's today after meeting him.
I had issues with my alarm wiring on my Cossie. Sorted it out no problem.
He also went to check the car over, ECU and its Engine loom wiring and checking the sensors, finding my TPS needed adjusting and sorted out the fuel pump wiring which he found to be running hot at the relay due to some cheap crimp connections I used when I fitted my new fuel pump and filter a couple of years ago.
Also told me some items that needed addressing after a quick spin around the block.
I have been lucky not to have had a melt down after he checked the readings advising me on what I will need to do, so for now no revving hard over 5k
as she was leaning out on my standard Blues and T34 set-up. So time for some Greens, 3bar Map Sensor and Chip.
Also thanks to Jason Dale for the wets and grub
His attention to detail and service was superb. I have learnt a bit more on Cossie's today after meeting him.
I had issues with my alarm wiring on my Cossie. Sorted it out no problem.
He also went to check the car over, ECU and its Engine loom wiring and checking the sensors, finding my TPS needed adjusting and sorted out the fuel pump wiring which he found to be running hot at the relay due to some cheap crimp connections I used when I fitted my new fuel pump and filter a couple of years ago.
Also told me some items that needed addressing after a quick spin around the block.
I have been lucky not to have had a melt down after he checked the readings advising me on what I will need to do, so for now no revving hard over 5k
as she was leaning out on my standard Blues and T34 set-up. So time for some Greens, 3bar Map Sensor and Chip.Also thanks to Jason Dale for the wets and grub
Last edited by kosienutter; 10-08-2015 at 06:51 PM.
12-08-2015, 07:42 AM
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I have a Narrowband Racetech AFR meter and he says it is not ideal as it reads wrong at certain points. Yeah I could get it sorted but the boss will murder me if I bought a greens set up.
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14-08-2015, 05:54 PM
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kosienutter (15-08-2015)
16-08-2015, 07:58 PM
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Thanks for the kind words Ben, glad you were happy. Hopefully see you again soon to resolve some of the issues we found.
The new innovate LM2 uses the 4.9 sensor, seemed quite acurate when I compared it to the ECM at Motorsport Developments so I'm trying one of them at the moment, I think I will head for an ECM long term though.
The new innovate LM2 uses the 4.9 sensor, seemed quite acurate when I compared it to the ECM at Motorsport Developments so I'm trying one of them at the moment, I think I will head for an ECM long term though.
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17-08-2015, 08:21 AM
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Thanks for the kind words Ben, glad you were happy. Hopefully see you again soon to resolve some of the issues we found.
The new innovate LM2 uses the 4.9 sensor, seemed quite acurate when I compared it to the ECM at Motorsport Developments so I'm trying one of them at the moment, I think I will head for an ECM long term though.
The new innovate LM2 uses the 4.9 sensor, seemed quite acurate when I compared it to the ECM at Motorsport Developments so I'm trying one of them at the moment, I think I will head for an ECM long term though.
Oh btw James hope all is good and the family are well.
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17-08-2015, 08:32 AM
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Yeh honda use the ntk sensor Paul but you will need a controller that works with a ntk
Just to ad some are fairly accurate BUT the issue is in fast changes they can not keep up so when logging you can clearly see how slow the ls sensoe equipment is compared
17-08-2015, 10:03 AM
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Mark is right. The NTK has always been years ahead of the Bosch.
We have been using ECM for our mapping AFR tools for over 12 years now and they only use NTK Lab grade sensors. They are simply outstanding. I now have it hooked into the dyno cell for our day to day mapping as the Bosch one can be hit and miss at times for reliability.
Be aware NTK make three grades of sensor. Even the cheapest one is far far better than any Bosch one but the lab grade ones we use are incredible. (And at over £500 each, so is the price) They read from 6 to 150AFR (Lambda 0.4 to lambda 10) with less than 1% error from one end to the other. Incredible.
All that said, for "Monitoring" of AFR I dont see any problem using Bosch LS series really. The difference in accuracy is kind of here nor there if your only looking to see what your AFR is for in car driver monitoring.
We have been using ECM for our mapping AFR tools for over 12 years now and they only use NTK Lab grade sensors. They are simply outstanding. I now have it hooked into the dyno cell for our day to day mapping as the Bosch one can be hit and miss at times for reliability.
Be aware NTK make three grades of sensor. Even the cheapest one is far far better than any Bosch one but the lab grade ones we use are incredible. (And at over £500 each, so is the price) They read from 6 to 150AFR (Lambda 0.4 to lambda 10) with less than 1% error from one end to the other. Incredible.
All that said, for "Monitoring" of AFR I dont see any problem using Bosch LS series really. The difference in accuracy is kind of here nor there if your only looking to see what your AFR is for in car driver monitoring.
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17-08-2015, 10:04 AM
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The LSU4.9 is also fast, fast enough for most applications. A lot of controllers also add a time delay as they average readings, so much of the delay you will see in datalogs may actually be down to the controller rather than the sensor.
There isn't anything special about calibrated sensors, they just test a batch using cal gas and hand pick the sensors which are within a few % of ideal. Lab grade sensors are another story.... but so is their price.
This is a good read:
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php
A PDF copy can be found here: http://www.2gnt.com/documents/teklei...d_Shootout.pdf
The unit with the lowest latency and highest accuracy was surprisingly the innovate XD-16 which used a Bosch lsu4.2 sensor, the PLX unit was also good, their 'tuner/dyno' grade unit uses an LSU4.9.
The NGK AFX which the Ballenger Motorsports AFR500 unit is based upon was actually middle of the pack. Low latency (delay) but an accuracy of +/- 1AFR!
I have done quite a bit of testing of various wideband units and lots of research and tbh nothing suggests that the NGK standard sensors are any better or faster than the 4.2 or 4.9, and not many people will like the price of calibrated sensors for use in a road car
Also worth noting that a huge number of wideband controllers use the Bosch CJ125 or similar control IC so are more similar in performance than their marketing blurb would suggest!
I quite like the AEM UEGO range, they are good enough for 99% of road users needs and couldn't be simpler to install, they are also under £150!
There isn't anything special about calibrated sensors, they just test a batch using cal gas and hand pick the sensors which are within a few % of ideal. Lab grade sensors are another story.... but so is their price.
This is a good read:
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php
A PDF copy can be found here: http://www.2gnt.com/documents/teklei...d_Shootout.pdf
The unit with the lowest latency and highest accuracy was surprisingly the innovate XD-16 which used a Bosch lsu4.2 sensor, the PLX unit was also good, their 'tuner/dyno' grade unit uses an LSU4.9.
The NGK AFX which the Ballenger Motorsports AFR500 unit is based upon was actually middle of the pack. Low latency (delay) but an accuracy of +/- 1AFR!
I have done quite a bit of testing of various wideband units and lots of research and tbh nothing suggests that the NGK standard sensors are any better or faster than the 4.2 or 4.9, and not many people will like the price of calibrated sensors for use in a road car
Also worth noting that a huge number of wideband controllers use the Bosch CJ125 or similar control IC so are more similar in performance than their marketing blurb would suggest! I quite like the AEM UEGO range, they are good enough for 99% of road users needs and couldn't be simpler to install, they are also under £150!
Last edited by Rob_DOHC; 17-08-2015 at 10:06 AM.
17-08-2015, 10:08 AM
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Mark is right. The NTK has always been years ahead of the Bosch.
We have been using ECM for our mapping AFR tools for over 12 years now and they only use NTK Lab grade sensors. They are simply outstanding. I now have it hooked into the dyno cell for our day to day mapping as the Bosch one can be hit and miss at times for reliability.
Be aware NTK make three grades of sensor. Even the cheapest one is far far better than any Bosch one but the lab grade ones we use are incredible. (And at over £500 each, so is the price) They read from 6 to 150AFR (Lambda 0.4 to lambda 10) with less than 1% error from one end to the other. Incredible.
All that said, for "Monitoring" of AFR I dont see any problem using Bosch LS series really. The difference in accuracy is kind of here nor there if your only looking to see what your AFR is for in car driver monitoring.
We have been using ECM for our mapping AFR tools for over 12 years now and they only use NTK Lab grade sensors. They are simply outstanding. I now have it hooked into the dyno cell for our day to day mapping as the Bosch one can be hit and miss at times for reliability.
Be aware NTK make three grades of sensor. Even the cheapest one is far far better than any Bosch one but the lab grade ones we use are incredible. (And at over £500 each, so is the price) They read from 6 to 150AFR (Lambda 0.4 to lambda 10) with less than 1% error from one end to the other. Incredible.
All that said, for "Monitoring" of AFR I dont see any problem using Bosch LS series really. The difference in accuracy is kind of here nor there if your only looking to see what your AFR is for in car driver monitoring.
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