terribletaj

Hi all,

Fitted cossie management to my series 1, however I cannot get it to start. It turns over and wants to fire just doesn't.
The TPS clicks once on ignition on, but clicks loads once I stop cranking, is this normal?

It has all new sensors, the cam pully sensor it set 3 teeth back from TDC and has a 6 tho gap, the crank pully sensor also has a 6 tho gap and a pip directly under it at TDC.

Got spark and I can smell fuel, but I can't hear the pump prime when ignition is switched, the pump is getting power though

Here's a video of what's its doing:



Any help would be great

Thanks

boothy

iTrader: (14)

Sounds like its wanting to fire mate but wont for some reason

studabear

get in touch with jano oddkidd

edited, whats your fuel pressure set too?

are the wires in loom reversed where necessary?

terribletaj

unsure on fuel pressure, getting a gauge soon to check.
loom came from another car, what wires need to be reversed?

Had another look just now, it's the ISCV making the clicking noise not the TPS, also put a noide light on each injector and 1 and 4 are fine, but 2 and 3 have intermittant firing. What tells the ecu which injector to fire?

Thanks

martysmartie

iTrader: (1)

Phase sensor does, wires need to be reversed if you have L8 ECU on PF01 TPS, ISCV clicks I think when in Limp home on L8.

I would look at Phase, you clearly have spark so CPS must be ok.

Martin

terribletaj

I have a PF09 TPS, put a diagnostic machine on the ecu, came up with no codes stored,

Yeah have spark, will check the top pulley sensor.

Thanks

studabear

if your running a pf09 and a pectal board in ecu with a L6 ecu the outer wires for tps need reversing, also if your using sierra cvh type cps the wires need reversing

Is it a 2wd loom?

hth

terribletaj

I have a L8 with pectal board and a PF09, using a proper cosworth CPS and cutom pulley, so i didn't think it would need to be reversed?

I think its a 2wd loom, how i can check? as this site that has the wiring diagrams is no longer working:

http://www.siipicossu.com/manuaaleja/manuaalit.htm

JokerDisco

iTrader: (4)

Double check your gaps mate, mine was like that but after a bit of trial and error with gapping the phase sensor it eventually started with a bit of pedal - had a bit more of a fettle with it and it starts first turn of the key without touching the pedal.

Where did you get your phase sensor trigger ring from? Post a photo showing where you have the phase sensor trigger ring set?

terribletaj

Got the phase trigger ring from Jano@OKC, had alot of problems with it actually, set the first pip to 6thou gap, then the 2nd pip had a 20thou gap! had to file down the first one match the heights and now have a 6thou gap on both, will double check tomorrow though.

JokerDisco

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Mate I had exactly the same problem it was a nightmare. Gaps were totally different - started filing the lug down to match and it snapped off. To be honest mate I've since learnt that if your filing it down with a file you'd be pretty lucky to get the lugs even. They at least need to be machined down to get them exact

I eventually borrowed a trigger ring from a mate and got it copied exactly as I knew it worked, It was a lot beefier too. Anyway as I said a bit of trial and error and it worked but I'd seriiously look at getting another trigger ring as that sounds like your problem.

I'm no expert but mine sounded exactly like yours and I had the exact same trigger ring.

terribletaj

ok cheers, will look into the cam trigger problem.

muz

Mine sounded exactly like this and the fuel pump was fucked. Only supplying 10PSI pressure so was getting fuel just not enough.

If it's an L8 ECU and 2WD loom with a PF09 the outer 2 wires on the throttle position sensor need reversing and the CPS wires do also.

Check everygap as said ont eh pikup rings as just because the one says 6-8 Tho doesn't mean the rest will.

Matthew_M

Did u fit that dizzy? Plug the cam phase sensor wire on to the plug on to the dizzy and try that pm me ur address and I'll get that trigger over to you

mat

Matthew_M

I wouldn't swop any wires as it ran when it was on my car, try using that dizzy tho mine always ran on the dizzy and not the trigger wheel

muz

Has it got a cut'n shut cossie dizzy then? That might be the problem if ur not using it and getting the pickup from the cam.

Matthew_M

yeh its got a modded dizzy i never used to use the pickup from the cam car used to run much better when it was plugged into the dizzy i always put it down to the trigger wheel tabs as mine also had different clearnces on each of the tabs,

if your using the fuel reg that i sent you it was set at the same time that it was mapped so i wouldnt play with that

stick the dizzy on and let us know how you get on,

as for not hearing the fuel pump how have you wired it?

blue wire to the the black and red wire under the dash?

my pump used to buzz when i put the ignition on

Mat

terribletaj

I'm not using the modded dizzy just a standard cvh one, got the cam pulley setup from jano, as i want to change it to coilpack later anyways so I will need the cam pulley setup. Will try it with the dizzy and see if it makes any difference. how come it would make a difference? as i thought janos cam setup just emulated the phase sensor and the ecu didn't know the difference

I ran a new wire from the blue wire straight to the fuel pump, it runs when cranking, just not priming on ignition

Yeah using that fuel rail too. The chip has been changed in the ecu as i'm running a 1.6cvh so your map would have been no good to me, will it need to be readjusted?

Versus_Creations

iTrader: (1)

Your all way off just guessing in the wind..

Why dont you call... or read the technical sections which would tell you whats going wrong.

Instead your asking randoms, who will probly be sending you on a mission, checking things that have nothing to do with whats wrong..

Its simple problem.

terribletaj

ok will give you a call when I finish work.

Matthew_M

you cant run the pump straight off the blue wire my money that is you problem it wont give the pump enough electric you have to use the blue wire as the switching wire on a relay not straight to the pump

terribletaj

put the modded dizzy on, now runs, got a small air leak to sort but nothing major. will check the fuel pump wiring

Matthew_M

was the same on mine im not a fan of trigger wheels

boothy

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Versus_Creations

iTrader: (1)

Well a little update. The owner has just left my yard.

The cut and shut dizzy that this car had on it wasnt working either. So when the owner plugged this in to the loom, the ECU was running limp mode.

So i plugged the cam sensor in and adjusted it to the correct gap setting.

Hey presto the car runs sweet and drives great now as it should.

Also to note that with the cut and shut dizzy the phase timing wasnt in the correct place either so even if it did work it would still be wrong squence.

So for the people who dont like to use cam sensor instead of a cut and shut dizzy, maybe its down to the fact that you dont do the research to find the correct settings and make the correct adjustments.

All the best.

terribletaj

Once again thanks jano, the drive back was much more fun lol. Just need to get the suspension sorted and will be back over for some more boost!

studabear

result!!

Thats my job in the morning, setting the phase and crank sensors up