crazycage

how did you get on at brunts today ?????????????

morph

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Not too well, tyres did not grip at all! wheels spanup in everygear! had to use low boost!
too greasey! but all well worth the experiance as now i can spec my gearbox to bring the times down for 0-60 and top speed as currently my box is 4.2 final drive standard box.
so 3.5 drive coming! see what difference that makes!

crazycage

what sort of power are you running?

morph

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230bhp low boost and 270 high boost setting
both were wheel spinning as track was icey at first and then greasey later so really no good on shite tyre the yoko s drives as they just didn't warm up once!
stayed on low boost for most of the times as i could not get the power down whatso ever on high boost!

crazycage

how come other people were putting in better times on the day and on the ice and grease ect? your low boost cant be 230hp you trap on the 1/4mile was low 90s lol

Rick

low 90's is under 200hp

morph

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first time i have ever done a 1/4 mile and wasn't comfortable with the conditions so did not commit 100%
maybe next time try it properly and see what happens
any hows how have you got my trap speeds when i don't even know what they are?

crazycage

who do you think put the timing gear on your car lol.

Tim

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3.5 is the best final drive imo the others are to long unles you have some big big hp, 90 terminal is very poor chipped car maybe but well done for trying.what was the topspeed then on full boost? your box should be good 1/4 anyway as its short if its standard
tim

morph

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maybe! my 0-60 times were something silly like 8.5 secs on low boost and 9+ on high boost so work that one out?

morph

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dan did!

morph

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i did a top speed run on the low boost settings and my clock was showing 140mph and the timing gear showing something like 127-128 then i backed off as i was too conservative to take any risks

crazycage

busted....

morph

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no as it kept hitting the limter when slipping so just could not do any decent times.
I tried the 0-60 4 times on high boost and the best i could get was 9 secs LOL,
because everytime i powered the car would grip to 3000rpm then the turbo comes in and bang straight wheelspin and hits limiter, change gear and the same happens i am in 4th and it starts to hold by then i have lost so much time.
but first time ever doen one so i will try a few products recommended by people there and see what happens.
defo think running a 3.5 drive will reduce the 0-60 as i wont have to be changing for 3rd to hit 60 anymore!

morph

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busted? what do you mean?

Tim

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project rs

who else was there any notable times worth mentioning, wish they'd do this when you've got some chance of getting grip say may/june or do 2 a year to show how important grip in summer is

morph

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stu collins was there, nice guy!

project rs

how'd he get on as he runs slicks which i would of expected to have some more trouble than you in this weather and just the 2 of you

jonny s2

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whats been going on?
pf shootout day? mag feature?

morph

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not too sure,

Ad4m RST

Shoddy launching?

rstdave

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Not great times then to be fair, even if the weather wasn't kind! As said though, even in the damp the qtr terminals and topspeed shouldn't be too far down if the power was there. What was the reason for the day, wouldn't wanna go to brunters in the winter personally

stuart collins

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loads off probs with brakes final sorted it did 1 run and was told could run any more cos people from the area round had rung up and complained bout the noise its got 3 silencers on it now aswell lol

did okish times spinnin the wheels in 4th and 5th tho lol

morph

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If the surface is greasy, damp and cold do you think people would honestly have the balls to keep going on a top speed challenege the same as when the surface is dry? braking distance would probably be double for one thing. I did a 128mph, i think stu did a 140 and rob did a 155mph, rob's is capable of 170mph!
Reason was we were all bored and thought we'd go for a thrash!

xrmalin

The neighbours are right w**kers they winge and moan all the time thats why when ever we did engine tests on the vulcan we took it up to one of the pans at the top of the airfield and pointed the jet pipes towards gilmorton just to give them something to winge about lol

morph

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still waiting why Busted? cheers

rstdave

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[QUOTE=morph;4701026]If the surface is greasy, damp and cold do you think people would honestly have the balls to keep going on a top speed challenege the same as when the surface is dry? braking distance would probably be double for one thing. I did a 128mph, i think stu did a 140 and rob did a 155mph, rob's is capable of 170mph!
Reason was we were all bored and thought we'd go for a thrash![/QUOTE

How fast were you expecting to be goin at the end of the qtr mile then, won't effect the terminal of that would it? Fair enough on the topspeed run, headwinds can massively affect things at brunters as well it seems and wet/greasy isn't a good combination! All i will say is i did over 140 up there and didn't have any issue whatsoever stopping for the bottom corner, the car ran out of puff imo before i ran out of space Hope you get another chance later in the year when the weather's alot better

Rob_DOHC

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If you can't get grip, or do a shoddy launch you terminal speeds will be damaged. When launching on slippery ground i often find its best to slip the clutch, holding power and reducing wheel spin, then when you have traction feed the clutch back in.

Rob,

Christian and Beccy

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Don't mean to sound awful, but I did do 155mph in torrential rain at Brunters. The PF Thrash was in November, pretty much every year. The weather is ALWAYS cold/damp then.

Who is Rob?

JamboRS

seems his prob is this part
all that power and no idea how to use it,changing to soon is making him off boost again and when it comes in its losing traction and same again,bouncing the limiter or feathering the throttle until it getting some grip would have got a better terminal imo

Christian and Beccy

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At least people are seeing that laying times down isn't just a case of having the power and the will to do it. I don't mean this disrespectfully, there is ALOT to it.

I always had ALOT of trouble launching mine, but did OK ish. However, this is why I never really bothered timing it for 0-60 and 1/4 mile, and of those times I did register were usually split times from a top speed run, where I never once hard launched it. But, however shit the launch and every other part of the run, as long as it has grip when it passes the 1/4 mile line, the terminal speed will be condusive to the cars power.

morph

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running low boost 230bhp, and peak power at 6000rpm and limiter set to 6670rpm so i was close limiter at around 128mph,
i was running 195/40 16" wheels, gearbox ratios are :
1st, 3.15:1; 2nd, 1.91:1; 3rd, 1.27:1; 4th, 0.95:1; 5th, 0.76:1
Final drive: 4.27:1
work that out what top speed i should be doing on gearboxmans calculator as i believe that my top speed is spot on for my gearing!
So considering this i would say its not bad!

morph

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tried all the above mate and i could not for love or money get the power down, thats one of the reasons for keeping car on the low boost setting! as traction was slightly better!
my tyres played a big part in the crap times but its all in a days experience!

morph

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spot on!
Grip thats the problem I had, don't matter how hard i tried could not do a thing about it!

Micky

Morph,you gave it a shot and the lack of grip beat you.But it's part of the learning curve and Im sure another go at Brunters later in the year when its better weather will produce the speeds you expect. All the best,Micky

morph

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my main aim was to learn the brunters run for top speeds, i have set a base for my self now with the car, i know what i got out of the top speed from its current setup so now the new box will hopefully change all that.

Lloyd

[quote=Christian and Beccy;4701493]At least people are seeing that laying times down isn't just a case of having the power and the will to do it. I don't mean this disrespectfully, there is ALOT to it.

very true when talking about fwd fords.so what is the answer ?

vauxhalls dont have this problem, why ?

there are a few big power fwd fords this year,are they all just going to sit spinning the wheels.

iam eagerly awaiting paul js times in a big power focus.

morph

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[QUOTE=Lloyd;4701776]Its gotta to be done in the right conditions, and right surface, like brunters isn't the most smoothess circuit compared to the likes of sant pod.
and as for modern focus, they dont struggle with traction like the old skool cars as there much bigger and have better tech advantages!

Tommys1turbo

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[quote=morph;4699381]230bhp low boost and 270 high boost setting
both were wheel spinning as track was icey at first and then greasey later so really no good on shite tyre the yoko s drives as they just didn't warm up once!
stayed on low boost for most of the times as i could not get the power down whatso ever on high boost![/quote

Not wanting to spur on some big hand bag moment hear mate, but i was watching your car go on wednesday and to be fair your car is no way pushing out the power u think it is. the time factors have given it away but i could tell just by watching and listening to ur car that it was nearer 200bhp let alone near 300bhp, whats going on??