As title really, it seems every week or so someone asks whats needed to get to 300hp?
why?

I've got alot less in mine and its a pain in the arse in the damp let alone wet. in the dry it can spin up in 2nd if i'm in it alone. Why 300hp specifically? its not like it hasn't been done before, and wouldn't it be useless as a road toy then?
If i wanted 300hp out of my rst i'd chop the floor out, turn the engine round and make sure it had COSWORTH 16V DOHC on the top!

Am i missing the point i'd much rather have a useable 200hp car than a 300hp car that gets used 3 times a year, on a track or airfield, in the dry, winds permitting...



*goes off to find grinder*......

 

that's the thing.....people just chase numbers......it's stupid really cos as u say....(unless it's for a proper reason)......most cars dont work in real world, everyday roads.....it's the penis thing..........

 

my fiesta puts down over 300hp with no fuss.

 

Agreed, we've got well over 300hp in crazycage's, and it hooks up in 2nd no problem, from where it is batshit fast...

 

and whats it like on the road? can it handle for example?
was it built as a road car or track car?

i cant ever get to use mine in 4th or 5th gear, 3rd gear starts to top out and i'm out of road 99% of the time. (i spose living round birmingham doesn't help) but theres still bypasses and certain lengths of road where you can have abit of fun.

i'm not saying why go over 200 cos you'll never need it i dont want to get into that argument lol!, so is 300bhp really "ok" on the road in a fiesta? or escort?

 

my car is a road car with all its trim ect and its use every day.

 

Its not unrealistic to have a 300bhp front wheel drive erst but you have to be willing to spend some seriouse dollor.

My cars running pritty standard bhp and it still spinns trought second if i give it some beans.

 

fair enough, yoou've shut me up then. Do you use it in the wet?

back to the drawing board with mine then

 

yes but thats what i mean also.

"spend some serious dollar"

on what exactly? no one speaks of Brakes, suspension, gearboxes, diffs when they ask these questions.

its usually an engine spec, thats all.

 

tbh your right most of the cars on here probably dont put the power down half as good as mine but it can be done .and yes i drive it in the rain it saves me washing it lol tho i do run different tyres in the winter months

 

If you've got the money then you can get the power down. Failing that, people just want 300bhp for internet points.

 

Well I guess you have to have a figure in mind, but its easy to get carried away.

I originally planned to make 500bhp with my nova, put it on the rollers the other day on a basemap and did a couple of quick tweaks while it was there, just to get a figure and see how far off I was and its 457 at the moment, thing is though, having driven it, I kind of cant see the point in chasing the "missing" 43bhp anymore, its silly anyway and doenst need the extra power.

But on the internet or down the pub, 500 is much better than 457, so it depends what you are hoping to achieve, and if its impressing people then its a case of where do you want to do so?
If its impressing people taking them out in it then im sure a 275 or a 300bhp RST are much the same thing, if its impressing people by telling them about it though, I bet that extra 25bhp puts you a world apart, lol

 

This is exactly my point. My sub 200hp rst is plently quick for where i drive, how i drive and what the car gets used for.

if i built a car to go fast i'd try to spec an engine, with something in mind for a final power like you said and see where it got and how useful it was in its purpose. Personally i'd have no hesitation to detune a car 43hp for example if it meant it was actually faster on road.
I just dont see the same appeal of it as these people who build a 300hp engine or try to, bolt it in and say down the pub "i've got an rst that eats gearboxes and spins in 5th in the wet" .

 

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if your after the 300+ mark you really need to be spending on the rest of the running gear

hopefully i have covered all bases in this but then i do have different boost settings and doubt it will run full boost all the time

 

i dont really go the pub lol, mine doesnt eat gearboxes or spin up in 5th it also does a bit more than just claim to have 300+hp it has done a 5.03 to 60mph and loads of 12.7s on the 1/4mile and im sure when i get my chance at brunts it will smash 150mph and do a sub 10sec 0-100mph.

 

what terminal are you seeing on the quarter? 120?

 

no 116mph why ?? should see over 120 next time out.

 

I WILL LIKE TO GET 170mph OUT OF MY CAR.

 

I didn't say yours did eat gearboxes or spin up in 5th, it sounds properly sorted to be fair to you.
but why did you go so far with it? And now, why have you stopped tuning it? Or have you.

Basically why go to 300ish, why not aim for 350, 400? Of course there are limits; But these have yet to be reached. All i was asking is why is 300 such a benchmark to some people?


and for the record, i dont go to the pub much either, far far too expensive for my liking

 

If you do see 120, you should be heading towards 160 at brunters

 

mine did 124 chip and your welcome to drive it some time if i see you ,as for the post on the other thread about the focus engine and box unless it was modded i wouldnt want 1 as they run out of puff quite early ,big bang then its all over .
Try mine sometime its very different to that ,but as for the money side as you say its not cheap ,but nice if you beat the zetec powered cars, ollie and me were saying the other day they have it all to prove now,lest see what they can do with the more upto date engines.

 

it wont do 160 it tops out at 154 limited by the gearing revs and tyre size and it hits that in about half a mile,im not interested in top speed its mint the way it is .

 

124 is a hell of a terminal for 1600

yours has done over 170 as well hasnt it?

Will certainly take you up in a drive, or better still a full bore passenger ride sometime (im sure you will demonstrate your car to me a lot better than I would myself as I dont like thrashing other peoples cars too much) would really love to see how it goes!

I find it just incredible that its as quick as Rob's astra!
His is a 2.0 16v, with everything on its side and not a budget build by most peoples standards, so to be matching that with a 1600 8v is just staggering!

 

Should have no trouble pulling to the limiter then providing the torque doesnt drop off way before peak RPM

I should have put "assuming its correctly geared" on my original post really but I kind of figured that goes without saying generally if people are aiming for a good top speed (which by the sounds of it doesnt really concern you much anyway)

 

i know you never just thought id mention it lol.i will see 400ish very soon but tbh it will only really get used at bout 300hp on the road on my low boost setting, high boost will just be for the strip or if i feel the need for it lol.

 

i've built a fairly quick mk2 fiesta, i'd love to have a 400bhp engine, then tune it down to run at 250bhp, as it's lairy to say the lease and i have a good suspension setup and tyres etc.
200bhp is quick, no doubt and will get you up to speed rather well, but out on a track day or quarter mile you'd want all the extra power on tap.

 

thats what i ment it already pulls to the limiter in 5th (7150) i hate going out mapping in it scares the shit out me.

 

LOL

We were doing some mapping in Rob's astra and I said "back off" and he said "is there det?" and my reply was "no, the engine is mint, its just that you are doing 160mph up a wet motorway on 888s and I dont want to die"

Potentially dangerous game to be playing! as that skyline mapper found out recently RIP

 

what were the r888 like in the wet? is it worth getting them now or wait a few months for the weather to improve?

 

Mines 300+hp just always worry my box is gonna shit itself lol.

 

I think what people cant see past is the engine. They want a 300BHP car but want it for a grand using Vaux pistons and second hand parts. They forget about upgrading the brakes, wheels, tyres, suspention, gearbox etc etc as a car is a whole package, not just a shit quick engine thrown in a 20+ year old Ford which was built to handle 132BHP

When I built mine, I factored in suspention, bought Leda coilovers, spoke to NutsRS who advised me on what spring rates to use to suit the shocks, wheels, weight of the car etc, upgraded the front ARB setup to an RS1600i setup on Adjustable TCA's etc etc.

Before the shocking wiring on my loom meant the car started to run shite it was setup and the boost turned down to 10-12PSI so running maybe 250BHP and the drove so so well. Real quick, very limited tourque steer to what it was before.

I think people overlook the whole package.

 

And for the record, my new engine should pull 300BHP on it's current spec and I'm only doing it for bragging rights. When I've got the print off to prove it I'll wind the boost down and spec it so it's at a stage where it drives how I want it to. Whether that will be 200/250/300 so be it.

 

Most people that are wanting 300bhp are people who are waniting to keep with a cvh cos its not as easy to get it there. the lads with zetec's are wanting more than 300.
200bhp is'nt that fast to be fair. you will get beat off alot of cars on the road now. All you have to do to a new st or a astra vxr is put a chip in it and you got a 300bhp car or round about.
And chip has just said what people like to hear when you get what you are wanting out of your car
(I find it just incredible that its as quick as Rob's astra!
His is a 2.0 16v, with everything on its side and not a budget build by most peoples standards, so to be matching that with a 1600 8v is just staggering!)

 

surely with these 200 plus bhp's though you cant have your foot planted and be driving it on the limit on the road.

or am i wrong here??

 

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