Ok, i probably already know the answer to this, BUT!

If i fit a FMIC to my Orion and replace the standard intercooler will it throw the fueling etc out? or will it sit there quite happily and reduce charge temps? I wont be touching the boost side of things, nor fueling, JUST replacing the std Ford Intercooler with a full front mount.

Ollie at NMS told me it was the only thing holding my engine back, and not to thrash it much in 3rd, and never in 4th and 5th because i'd melt something again. i've kept to my promise, mainly cos i cant afford another NMS engine build but now i have one will it do any good if i just bolt it on? can it give me piece of mind OR will i do damage? i've no idea really.

i'm expecting probably not, but it saves it being in the shed for a few months until i get a new turbo to bolt on and head up to nms again for a new setup.

Cheers, Joe.

*edit* just to add, i'm not after more power from it etc, just as i said above if it would reduce temps abit then is it worthwhile?

 

cant see it knocking the fueling out mate but will definetly lower charge temps i noticed the difference in mine when i changed to fmic.

 

And may rise up a bit your water temps

 

not if you fit it "properly" from what i've heard.

Andyorion (a former orion turbo owner) showed me some pics of his setup and it was very impressive, he used mondeo wiring to enable twin fans and keep the factory connectors, fitted some rigid foam on the rear sides of the intercooler so the air would go straight through the rad and with twin fans saw cooler water temps than he had as std.


My thinking behind it was more air and the same fuel = lean mixture. but is that how it would work?

i'm not sure still

 

Thats what i got told. he said not all the time in 3rd to be fair, because the standard intercooler wouldn't be able to cope and i'd eventually melt something.

so yeah, i can only really give it beans to the speed limit. not a bad thing you might say but i want to get some track days in next year and enjoy it abit more!

 

what sort of power are you running 180? standard cooler will be fine for that power,what spec is the engine,you should gain power from a front mount surley

 

yeah about 170 at a guess, it does the job but he said that would be the next thing to upgrade, then the turbo to a stage 2 T3 then the clutch. then after all that it starts getting really expensive

its a NMS Stage 2 engine.
Std bottom end
Stage 2 Head
new standard cam
-31 actuator
Custom Chip
1 bar boost - 14.5psi
Bailey breather

thats about it mods wise i think. i do want to gain power evetually but after i've fitted a new turbo and got the boost turned up and setup. probably get a cam in there at the same time. all i want to really know now is if i fit it now rather than having it in the shed for a few months will i do anything detramental to the engine by running it lean for example?

 

bump for the evening crew.

ta.

 

Focus wiring

When fitting a larger capacity intercooler you will be increasing the surface area that the charge air is cooled over. This therefore means the larger cooler will be more efficent enabling the cooler to maintain and control the boost temperatures over a greater period of time.
Now you will find your car goes better on a cold winters day when compared with a warm summers day. This is because on a cold day you will naturally find the charge temperatures are lower. Now you don't have the car setup for fear of running lean do you?

Tbh I found after fitting mine that by increasing the intake system volume I naturally lost a few psi of boost, so therefore what ever increases in the air density I gained were compensated for by the increase in volume, naturally I adjusted that , but if you plan not to adjust the boost I am sure you will have no issues what so ever and tbh your probably more at risk of ruining your engine running the cooler you do now because of high inlet temperatures than you would by running cooler inlet temperatures at the same boost setting.

Having said that you should still see a performance improvement due to the continued more stable charge temperatures over the course of the rev range/gear range and indeed have a safer engine as a result

I am sure you are probably expecting this part though.......

For the cost of a check up it would be worth getting a once over anyway for piece of mind and that way you can also get the most from your new toy

 

Cheers for the input mate. Its Going to Reyland on the 12th of dec for the rolling road charity day, i might give them a phone before hand and see if they'll check it over for me if they have the time before hand, but i'm not sure if they cover Rst's.

I'm not chasing bhp yet, its just a case of fitting it for the hell of it, for fear of it getting damaged in my shed, and, for the possible small benefits it may offer by just having it bolted on. As for making the most of it, i plan to fully test it in a few months when i get a new turbo. then the car will be handed over to NMS probably and it will be setup again and tuned to whatever they deem suitable. if i can afford it i'll be chatting to them about cams too.

That did run through my head at one point, but when i got thinking about the mfi running through the metering head (controlling the fuel) and being pressurised, i quickly confused myself

Joe.

 

my old car ran fine on a standard cooler,was doing 190hp only when we pushed it to 240ish we changed,problem is with these cars they need regular checks to ensure everythings ok