Guys running 300+ bhp how are you putting down the power?
13-07-2009, 06:24 PM
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my rs turbo had a lovely t3 stage 3 which popped and while that was getting overhauled i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on to run the car as the new turbo would take a few weeks to sort out. it was not nice! didn't suit the escort 1600 car as it was just so laggy!
what i noticed in comparison to the t3 was that it did not wheel spin the power.
that is not the same as saying i changed my turbo for a laggy turbo to eliminate spin!
hope that helps.
13-07-2009, 07:12 PM
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no mate you are reading in between the lines!
my rs turbo had a lovely t3 stage 3 which popped and while that was getting overhauled i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on to run the car as the new turbo would take a few weeks to sort out. it was not nice! didn't suit the escort 1600 car as it was just so laggy!
what i noticed in comparison to the t3 was that it did not wheel spin the power.
that is not the same as saying i changed my turbo for a laggy turbo to eliminate spin!
hope that helps.
my rs turbo had a lovely t3 stage 3 which popped and while that was getting overhauled i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on to run the car as the new turbo would take a few weeks to sort out. it was not nice! didn't suit the escort 1600 car as it was just so laggy!
what i noticed in comparison to the t3 was that it did not wheel spin the power.
that is not the same as saying i changed my turbo for a laggy turbo to eliminate spin!
hope that helps.
14-07-2009, 03:51 PM
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more lag usually means the power will come in with a bang and more chance of spinnin wheels,not less
14-07-2009, 06:53 PM
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how do u mean as best as possible,whats hard about mappin a cossie turbo on a 1600,pretty straight forward for a capable tuner to do,the fact it wasnt mapped to its best explains why it wasnt gettin full boost till 4krpm and why it never spun the wheels,if u cant spin the wheels with 300bhp then maybe uve not got 300bhp or poor mappin
more lag usually means the power will come in with a bang and more chance of spinnin wheels,not less
more lag usually means the power will come in with a bang and more chance of spinnin wheels,not less
Can you please explain to me how you can map a turbo to boost earlier if that turbo was designed to come in at a certain level?
and why do you insisit in reading between the lines?
i did not say it wasn't mapped to its best ability, thats what you read.
i said it was mapped as best as possible, so please explain how that reads that the car was not mapped properly?
are you just on here to try and make things up or do you actually have anything with some facts in there?
14-07-2009, 07:32 PM
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power was 230 not 300 then.
Can you please explain to me how you can map a turbo to boost earlier if that turbo was designed to come in at a certain level?
and why do you insisit in reading between the lines?
i did not say it wasn't mapped to its best ability, thats what you read.
i said it was mapped as best as possible, so please explain how that reads that the car was not mapped properly?
are you just on here to try and make things up or do you actually have anything with some facts in there?
Can you please explain to me how you can map a turbo to boost earlier if that turbo was designed to come in at a certain level?
and why do you insisit in reading between the lines?
i did not say it wasn't mapped to its best ability, thats what you read.
i said it was mapped as best as possible, so please explain how that reads that the car was not mapped properly?
are you just on here to try and make things up or do you actually have anything with some facts in there?
best as possible sounds like its a compromise or just settling,if my tuner says " there thats ur car mapped as best as possible" it wouldnt inspire me with confidence,and as far how can u make a turbo boost earlier,cam timing,modifying the head,inlet/exhaust manifold mods,these things affect how the turbo works, saying the turbo was designed to come in at a certain level leads me to be believe ur knowledge of motors never mind rst's is non existent,thats like sayin every t3 equipped rst has the same boost curve on every car no matter what the rest of the spec is,u really have a lot to learn
14-07-2009, 09:41 PM
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i dont recall using the word ability????
best as possible sounds like its a compromise or just settling,if my tuner says " there thats ur car mapped as best as possible" it wouldnt inspire me with confidence,and as far how can u make a turbo boost earlier,cam timing,modifying the head,inlet/exhaust manifold mods,these things affect how the turbo works, saying the turbo was designed to come in at a certain level leads me to be believe ur knowledge of motors never mind rst's is non existent,thats like sayin every t3 equipped rst has the same boost curve on every car no matter what the rest of the spec is,u really have a lot to learn
best as possible sounds like its a compromise or just settling,if my tuner says " there thats ur car mapped as best as possible" it wouldnt inspire me with confidence,and as far how can u make a turbo boost earlier,cam timing,modifying the head,inlet/exhaust manifold mods,these things affect how the turbo works, saying the turbo was designed to come in at a certain level leads me to be believe ur knowledge of motors never mind rst's is non existent,thats like sayin every t3 equipped rst has the same boost curve on every car no matter what the rest of the spec is,u really have a lot to learn
here's what i said in my previous post:
when my t3 stage 3 popped i sent it off to repair, the repair was going to take a good few weeks so in the mean time, so the car wasn't parked up i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on and had it mapped as best as possible.
Now why would i have the head, cam modified if i was going to go back to a t3 stage 3?
even someone with no knowledge like myself as you describe can work that out surely?
now all i can state is that the 2wd turbo came on full boost at 4k rpm on my 1.6 cvh engine, that is a fact, there is no bull shit there.
now i suggest you stop jumping to stupid conclusion like you have done so far.
15-07-2009, 10:31 PM
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About the most of any CVH RS Turbo on here. Circa 350bhp as far as I know. Maybe more on cheaty gas. 
Mine is quite good for traction at the moment, but thats on account of its low (ish) power and great (compared to a standard RST) configuration.
It does torque steer like a mother-fucker though, just very differently to how it was before.
Mine is quite good for traction at the moment, but thats on account of its low (ish) power and great (compared to a standard RST) configuration.
It does torque steer like a mother-fucker though, just very differently to how it was before.
16-07-2009, 06:50 AM
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About the most of any CVH RS Turbo on here. Circa 350bhp as far as I know. Maybe more on cheaty gas.
Mine is quite good for traction at the moment, but thats on account of its low (ish) power and great (compared to a standard RST) configuration.
It does torque steer like a mother-fucker though, just very differently to how it was before.
Mine is quite good for traction at the moment, but thats on account of its low (ish) power and great (compared to a standard RST) configuration.
It does torque steer like a mother-fucker though, just very differently to how it was before.
you defo have the power for mid 12s
16-07-2009, 08:01 AM
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It has helped alot, the torque steer is very different now. Before it was typical fighting with the wheel, it's not like that. Now, it either torque-steers or it doesn't. I guess the road you're on makes some difference, camber etc. But if it begins to pull, it kind of goes into a wild, snaking, pendulum type motion.
Overall, its better than its ever been.
Yes, I do plan to have a crack at the 1/4 mile, I'm in dire need of some launching practise. I believe I do have the power and all the other ingredients, but only thing against me is gearing. I'd be well chuffed to do a low 13 to be honest, but I guess we'll see.
Overall, its better than its ever been.
Yes, I do plan to have a crack at the 1/4 mile, I'm in dire need of some launching practise. I believe I do have the power and all the other ingredients, but only thing against me is gearing. I'd be well chuffed to do a low 13 to be honest, but I guess we'll see.
16-07-2009, 04:07 PM
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And yet you have a massive problem in READING peoples posts again?
here's what i said in my previous post:
when my t3 stage 3 popped i sent it off to repair, the repair was going to take a good few weeks so in the mean time, so the car wasn't parked up i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on and had it mapped as best as possible.
Now why would i have the head, cam modified if i was going to go back to a t3 stage 3?
even someone with no knowledge like myself as you describe can work that out surely?
now all i can state is that the 2wd turbo came on full boost at 4k rpm on my 1.6 cvh engine, that is a fact, there is no bull shit there.
now i suggest you stop jumping to stupid conclusion like you have done so far.
here's what i said in my previous post:
when my t3 stage 3 popped i sent it off to repair, the repair was going to take a good few weeks so in the mean time, so the car wasn't parked up i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on and had it mapped as best as possible.
Now why would i have the head, cam modified if i was going to go back to a t3 stage 3?
even someone with no knowledge like myself as you describe can work that out surely?
now all i can state is that the 2wd turbo came on full boost at 4k rpm on my 1.6 cvh engine, that is a fact, there is no bull shit there.
now i suggest you stop jumping to stupid conclusion like you have done so far.
16-07-2009, 05:32 PM
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It has helped alot, the torque steer is very different now. Before it was typical fighting with the wheel, it's not like that. Now, it either torque-steers or it doesn't. I guess the road you're on makes some difference, camber etc. But if it begins to pull, it kind of goes into a wild, snaking, pendulum type motion.
Overall, its better than its ever been.
Yes, I do plan to have a crack at the 1/4 mile, I'm in dire need of some launching practise. I believe I do have the power and all the other ingredients, but only thing against me is gearing. I'd be well chuffed to do a low 13 to be honest, but I guess we'll see.
Overall, its better than its ever been.
Yes, I do plan to have a crack at the 1/4 mile, I'm in dire need of some launching practise. I believe I do have the power and all the other ingredients, but only thing against me is gearing. I'd be well chuffed to do a low 13 to be honest, but I guess we'll see.
bottom line is new gearing and a load more power next year.
18-07-2009, 07:49 PM
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power was 230 not 300 then.
Can you please explain to me how you can map a turbo to boost earlier if that turbo was designed to come in at a certain level?
and why do you insisit in reading between the lines?
i did not say it wasn't mapped to its best ability, thats what you read.
i said it was mapped as best as possible, so please explain how that reads that the car was not mapped properly?
are you just on here to try and make things up or do you actually have anything with some facts in there?
Can you please explain to me how you can map a turbo to boost earlier if that turbo was designed to come in at a certain level?
and why do you insisit in reading between the lines?
i did not say it wasn't mapped to its best ability, thats what you read.
i said it was mapped as best as possible, so please explain how that reads that the car was not mapped properly?
are you just on here to try and make things up or do you actually have anything with some facts in there?
ive always thought that you used a electronic boost controller to adjust where your boost comes in.....??
cant see why anyone would want a huge turbo on a car for the road and have to wait til 4k for boost?im sorry but surely with a setup like that you are going to get dicked by slower cars?n/a tuned with no lag?
my standard T3 with collins -31 actuator boosts up just after 2k and holds the power really well.although i will be changing it for a T25 Ball bearing in the future as i want to keep lag down,only problem i can see is wheelspin cuz the boost will kick in at low revs (hopefully).was going to counter it with:
suspension
powerflex bushes
adjustable tcas
good tyres
electronic boost contoller
fully set up efi conversion
quaife atb diff
18-07-2009, 08:01 PM
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no mate you are reading in between the lines!
my rs turbo had a lovely t3 stage 3 which popped and while that was getting overhauled i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on to run the car as the new turbo would take a few weeks to sort out. it was not nice! didn't suit the escort 1600 car as it was just so laggy!
what i noticed in comparison to the t3 was that it did not wheel spin the power.
that is not the same as saying i changed my turbo for a laggy turbo to eliminate spin!
hope that helps.
my rs turbo had a lovely t3 stage 3 which popped and while that was getting overhauled i stuck a 2wd cossie turbo on to run the car as the new turbo would take a few weeks to sort out. it was not nice! didn't suit the escort 1600 car as it was just so laggy!
what i noticed in comparison to the t3 was that it did not wheel spin the power.
that is not the same as saying i changed my turbo for a laggy turbo to eliminate spin!
hope that helps.
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19-07-2009, 11:21 AM
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ive always thought that you used a electronic boost controller to adjust where your boost comes in.....??
cant see why anyone would want a huge turbo on a car for the road and have to wait til 4k for boost?im sorry but surely with a setup like that you are going to get dicked by slower cars?n/a tuned with no lag?
my standard T3 with collins -31 actuator boosts up just after 2k and holds the power really well.although i will be changing it for a T25 Ball bearing in the future as i want to keep lag down,only problem i can see is wheelspin cuz the boost will kick in at low revs (hopefully).was going to counter it with:
suspension
powerflex bushes
adjustable tcas
good tyres
electronic boost contoller
fully set up efi conversion
quaife atb diff
cant see why anyone would want a huge turbo on a car for the road and have to wait til 4k for boost?im sorry but surely with a setup like that you are going to get dicked by slower cars?n/a tuned with no lag?
my standard T3 with collins -31 actuator boosts up just after 2k and holds the power really well.although i will be changing it for a T25 Ball bearing in the future as i want to keep lag down,only problem i can see is wheelspin cuz the boost will kick in at low revs (hopefully).was going to counter it with:
suspension
powerflex bushes
adjustable tcas
good tyres
electronic boost contoller
fully set up efi conversion
quaife atb diff
Also, 'suspension' is a really generalised term, you'll need to try harder than that if you want a FWD RST to have good traction.
Mine now has :-
10mm wider track
Adjustable rear toe
Adjustable raer camber
Adjustable rear ARB
Adjustable front TCA's
Turbo Technics front ARB/Compression strut setup
Coilovers
MTX long ratio Gearbox with Torsen ATB
Equal length driveshafts
Now it finally grips with 250lb/ft. Wonder what it will be like at 300lb/ft? Some of that is on account of the mapping. I run a very flat and long torque curve, but it goes like fuck.
Polybushes
19-07-2009, 11:26 AM
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I don't really understand the irony of your approach. So, you want to fit a ball bearing T25 for low lag, then dial the early boost out on a boost controller?
Also, 'suspension' is a really generalised term, you'll need to try harder than that if you want a FWD RST to have good traction.
Mine now has :-
10mm wider track
Adjustable rear toe
Adjustable raer camber
Adjustable rear ARB
Adjustable front TCA's
Turbo Technics front ARB/Compression strut setup
Coilovers
MTX long ratio Gearbox with Torsen ATB
Equal length driveshafts
Now it finally grips with 250lb/ft. Wonder what it will be like at 300lb/ft? Some of that is on account of the mapping. I run a very flat and long torque curve, but it goes like fuck.
Polybushes
Also, 'suspension' is a really generalised term, you'll need to try harder than that if you want a FWD RST to have good traction.
Mine now has :-
10mm wider track
Adjustable rear toe
Adjustable raer camber
Adjustable rear ARB
Adjustable front TCA's
Turbo Technics front ARB/Compression strut setup
Coilovers
MTX long ratio Gearbox with Torsen ATB
Equal length driveshafts
Now it finally grips with 250lb/ft. Wonder what it will be like at 300lb/ft? Some of that is on account of the mapping. I run a very flat and long torque curve, but it goes like fuck.
Polybushes
p.s most of it is down to the driver balancing the power with his/her right foot
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19-07-2009, 12:13 PM
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I don't really understand the irony of your approach. So, you want to fit a ball bearing T25 for low lag, then dial the early boost out on a boost controller?
Also, 'suspension' is a really generalised term, you'll need to try harder than that if you want a FWD RST to have good traction.
Mine now has :-
10mm wider track
Adjustable rear toe
Adjustable raer camber
Adjustable rear ARB
Adjustable front TCA's
Turbo Technics front ARB/Compression strut setup
Coilovers
MTX long ratio Gearbox with Torsen ATB
Equal length driveshafts
Now it finally grips with 250lb/ft. Wonder what it will be like at 300lb/ft? Some of that is on account of the mapping. I run a very flat and long torque curve, but it goes like fuck.
Polybushes
Also, 'suspension' is a really generalised term, you'll need to try harder than that if you want a FWD RST to have good traction.
Mine now has :-
10mm wider track
Adjustable rear toe
Adjustable raer camber
Adjustable rear ARB
Adjustable front TCA's
Turbo Technics front ARB/Compression strut setup
Coilovers
MTX long ratio Gearbox with Torsen ATB
Equal length driveshafts
Now it finally grips with 250lb/ft. Wonder what it will be like at 300lb/ft? Some of that is on account of the mapping. I run a very flat and long torque curve, but it goes like fuck.
Polybushes
i want the t25 for low lag,and would maybe use a boost controller to smoothen the boost curve,dont want boost kicking in and spinning the wheels.but then i dont want a big turbo and loadsa lag
i was not reffering to your car as i know that yours is specced for top speed runs,not around town drivability.
i said the spec i wanted with generalised termsdidnt wanna go into one,i dont want coilovers as i dont really like the ride of them,and i cant decide whether i want to go low low -50mm on 16s as ive been told it wont handle to well,but then again i also dont want 17s as ive got them now and they feel a bit big when driving the car and i dont wanna cut my arches.was gonna go for konis if i had 17s and spax shortened shocks if i wanted the 16s.
was gonna go for the adjustable tcas,maybe a rs1600i adj front anti roll bar,but looks like a bit of a bitch to do,
obviously i dont have the experience u do but was just trying to get my limited knowledge across.
19-07-2009, 12:59 PM
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sorry i should have been a bit more clear,i mentioned the boost controller with regards to people saying you cant map boost in.
i want the t25 for low lag,and would maybe use a boost controller to smoothen the boost curve,dont want boost kicking in and spinning the wheels.but then i dont want a big turbo and loadsa lag
i was not reffering to your car as i know that yours is specced for top speed runs,not around town drivability.
i said the spec i wanted with generalised termsdidnt wanna go into one,i dont want coilovers as i dont really like the ride of them,and i cant decide whether i want to go low low -50mm on 16s as ive been told it wont handle to well,but then again i also dont want 17s as ive got them now and they feel a bit big when driving the car and i dont wanna cut my arches.was gonna go for konis if i had 17s and spax shortened shocks if i wanted the 16s.
was gonna go for the adjustable tcas,maybe a rs1600i adj front anti roll bar,but looks like a bit of a bitch to do,
obviously i dont have the experience u do but was just trying to get my limited knowledge across.
i want the t25 for low lag,and would maybe use a boost controller to smoothen the boost curve,dont want boost kicking in and spinning the wheels.but then i dont want a big turbo and loadsa lag
i was not reffering to your car as i know that yours is specced for top speed runs,not around town drivability.
i said the spec i wanted with generalised termsdidnt wanna go into one,i dont want coilovers as i dont really like the ride of them,and i cant decide whether i want to go low low -50mm on 16s as ive been told it wont handle to well,but then again i also dont want 17s as ive got them now and they feel a bit big when driving the car and i dont wanna cut my arches.was gonna go for konis if i had 17s and spax shortened shocks if i wanted the 16s.
was gonna go for the adjustable tcas,maybe a rs1600i adj front anti roll bar,but looks like a bit of a bitch to do,
obviously i dont have the experience u do but was just trying to get my limited knowledge across.
Incidentally, I'm probably going back to Koni's and selling the Gaz Golds.
19-07-2009, 03:04 PM
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whys u going back to konis then?my m8 has coilovers on his s13 and its well hard even on soft,and getting the rear of my rs seam welded puts me off a bit
19-07-2009, 04:58 PM
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19-07-2009, 05:43 PM
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how many times shall i tell you that it was a temp turbo! and you still insist that it was setup wrong! are you a MONG HEAD?
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19-07-2009, 06:10 PM
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