Zetecfiesta

Got myself an engine in pieces that needed rebuilding, i had started collecting parts like injectors, multiple inlets, wiring looms but then i saw a fully rebuilt engine on ebay so bought that instead!!whooop

spec:

EFI engine,
beije injectors,
stage 2 head,
vernier pully,
piper 285 cam
cosworth racing forged pistons
uprated rods
new oil pump, water pump, tensioner
inlet manifold, cross over pipe
helix sports clutch!

plan is to get a CTS stage 1 box in the next couple of weeks and throw it in.

got a few decisions though, should i get an uprated turbo? if so wot spec size etc etc

and my mate wants me to run it on cossie management coz he has all the parts but id like just to get it run on OFAB or OFAC or shud i just go for go-tech. im trying to get it going cheaply as possible though please bear that in mind!!!

grsford

iTrader: (3)

best turbo for you spec is a cossie 4x4 with a .48 erst fitment exhaust housing

managment go for the cossie stuff if your mate has all the bits sell the beige injectors and get some standard cossie one and make the most of the engines spec

can help with most answers on the cossie setup as thats what im running in mine

Zetecfiesta

quality nice one mate, so if i buy a cossie 4x4 turbo and then its just a case of taking off my ehaust housing off my current t3 and bolting them together or is there more to it than that?

have you got any decent links or can you give me a brief description about what needs doing for cossie managment, cause ive only looked at efi conversions and got slightly confused with that!

he says he's got the full lot but what will i actually need?! i can compare this to what he is trying to flog me lol!!!

Turbocabbie

i would run the cossie management, its great and most well known mappers are capable of mapping this.

Zetecfiesta

right then, looks like i will go for cossie management, just need my questions answering now lol!

Daveysaff

iTrader: (9)

I'm (or i will be!) running weber on my cabby too, i've got accross most of the hurdles I reckon, so if you've got any queries stick 'em up here

Zetecfiesta

right so what do i actually need for the conversion?
which loom do i use? efi loom with it tapped into a cossie loom?

where have people joined the looms together?

Zetecfiesta

anyone?!

grsford

iTrader: (3)

you need a 2wd cos engine loom this plugs into the saph main loom so has a connector for power etc so you can have just the engine loom theres 4 wires that will need connecting into your original rst loom

will need to change the to outer wires round on the tps and run an pf09 tps

then lengthen the cables as you need then

engine loom shold come with a bung on it the ecu should be fitted inside the car i have mine in the clove box and drilled a hole to the left of the battery as you look at it through the bulkhead

hth have you any more Q?
regards

tabetha

I would never dream of using cossie management, but will have one for sale in july(NOT a plug as already sold) if you can afford it go aftermarket.
tabetha

Zetecfiesta

ok so because the 2wd loom can be seperated from the rest of the car loom this means i can just splice it into my rst loom and it will all be dandy!?
do i still need to fit the efi loom or will the original loom be ok?
those 4 wires are just for power and earths i presume,
whats a pf09 tps?

do i really need to drill another hole in my car? its an 80's ford it rusts badly enough with out me helping it with extra holes lol!!!

thanks for the help though, im starting to understand it all now!

grsford

iTrader: (3)

yeh just leave your standard loom in place i personally moved mine about abit so you couldn`t see it

pf 09 tps is for a 4x4 saph and a pf01 is 2wd

as for the hole its the best route to take with the original cos bung on it looks factory fit

the 4 wires are 12 from bat, ignition live,fuel pump,and a signal for the rev counter

Zetecfiesta

ahhh ok! so did you tidy the original loom away? because all the sensor wires and plugs are not needed now are they? where did u move it all too as i can think thats a lot of wires!

ive seen the list of parts required now, how come i need to use that lot VV for crankshaft positioning, will the crankshaft hole on my efi block not be ok?

1800 Cvh bottom pulley with timing ring ( 36 – 1 teeth )
1800 Cvh crank sensor and bracket
1800 Cvh alternator pulley
1800 Cvh alternator belt
1800 Cvh alternator bracket and adjusting arm


have you got any pics of your set up? ta mate!

Daveysaff

iTrader: (9)

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Loads of stuff on those sites about Weber Management, Gadget on here is a bit knowledgeable about it too

Turbocabbie

You do not actually need to drill any holes, however you need to locate somewhere to put the ECU and for most people the glovebox seems a suitable place... the question is where are you going to put the ecu and how are you going to get there

Personally I would forget the 2wd loom as its still old shit which has probably been spliced a 100 times for alarms and issues itself, I would suggest contacting Ryan of these forums and getting him to make you a new loom

Here you can see the trigger wheel setup I use for crank and camshaft






did you just want to see timing wheel pic's or the whole engine bay ?
I run a cossie managed cabriolet

Zetecfiesta

decent pics mate all the better helps, why cant i use the efi crankshaft sensor hole thou??

Daveysaff

iTrader: (9)

You can use the cps hole in the block, but you'll have to machine most of the webs out of the flywheel so that you've only got 3 webs left, then let some metal into the gap where the 36th webs should have been so you've only now got 4 pick ups for the cps.
If any of that made sense!!
There's a step by step guide to that on the zetec turbo site anyhoo.

Turbocabbie

You can use the crankshaft sensor hole should you wish to with the right set up. Likewise there is nothing forcing you to use Cossie sensors.

Whatever works for you

Zetecfiesta

yeah i know what you mean!

Turbocabbie

need any more info or pictures ?

what level ecu are you going to run out of curiosity and what features are you going to use ?

Zetecfiesta

hoping to buy that lot of liza in the for sale section just waiting for a pm!! shouldnt need much more, may be thos trigger wheels and mounting bracket that jano sells?
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as title, 90 percent complete conversion for sale. Saff loom (uncut ) throttle body , l6 ecu all sensors coil pack loom (from ryan ) coil pack , ign amp , yellow's or green's (price is 75 more for greens ) lower pulley

Gadget

By then end of next week, they'll be crankshaft sensor brackets and discs available that can be fitted to the original bottom pulley with no need for welding, machining or messing around with different alternator pulleys etc!

As for removing the old bits of your loom, the easy way is to disconnect the battery. remove all the tape from your loom, chop the two plugs off that go to your ecu's then just remove those wires one by one, you'll end up with just the bits that you still need! re tape it then add the cossie loom! Job done with no crap thats not needed in the engine bay!

O.K.C

iTrader: (2)

There has alwyas been new designs of pulleys and parts Gadget, the fact always remains that the ones that Jano makes is second to none.

Gadget

Yeah but the sierra 1800 crank set up is not MADE by Janno is it?, it's made by Ford Motor Co, then re machined to how Janno wants / needs it to be for he's conversions!
Unless he now gets brand new crank pulleys, trigger rings, alternator brackets and pulleys?
If so, i stand corrected but along with a lot of other people would like to see the brand new items!

And if they are the sierra parts, then which bits are actually made by him? as i have used the sierra setup many times but never made any of the parts!
And before anyone starts, i am in no way slagging off janno, or his work. Just asking a question!

O.K.C

iTrader: (2)

Garry,

The trigger rings brackets and conversion parts that Jano sells are water/laser cut then machined true for 100% reliablity then cleaned. The parts cost exactly what they are worth and he does not over charge or take the piss with prices which he could!

The other factor is, if you can use a secondhand altenator which is working fine and only pay £20 for it..... why would you need or want to spend £90+exchange for a new one?

The same goes for the parts you mentioned. Why would anyone want to pay some silly price for a new pulley, when you can buy a secondhand one with no faults issues or any other problem for £10?

Also just before i leave, a NEW bottom pulley made from high quality Alloy in 5rib or Vbelt with trigger wheels 36-1 and 4 pickup are available from Jano to fit a CVH ZVH or ZT16v just like you said..... and has been available for 6 months plus, the fact is people choose secondhand items over the new items due to the costs.

So i think you will be mistaken on a few of your points.

If you want to talk to him direct give him a call as he is loads of help even if you only have a question. 07050 133 596 his forum has loads of people who know what they are talking about on there and is a very freindly site unlike some others.

All the best EruptionFM.