Hey, i've recently bought a 1.9 tall block bottom end, and i wanna rebuild it with steel rods and forged pistons, but i'm unsure what pistons i use, if u look on burtons website they just say cvh forged pistons, not sure if i use 1.6 rs turbo pistons or do i need to have some custom ones, any body know what size bore i need as well????? cheers

 

no mate, burton power dont supply them, ive got the tall block aswell, ive looked into it at lenght ie steel rods and forged pistons. specialised engines, where the block is from, can supply them if i remember rightly but when i spoke to them a while back they said the rods are bout Ł1200 on their own. theyre ones they get made, he wouldnt even tell me who makes them either but it wouldnt surprise me if they were made by one of the well known manufacturers though. another option is euro engines who can do a full rebuild with steel rods and forged pistons for this block as i rang them too.

most other engine builders can do the build too, jamsport can and also nms as they did it to previous owner of ryan_belfasts car who runs our block.

im still interested aswell mate if you find out any info.

dave.

 

so is there no other place to get any forged pistons and rods, or how about getting them impoted????

 

i had an engine builder on the case and he couldnt find anywhere that could get them, even imported. i dont think its a popular mod in the usa to be honest ie using that engine and turbo charging it. i rang the usual manufacturers of steel rods ie farndon, arrow etc and they dont sell them off the shelf. i was told however they could be custom made if they had a standard rod to work off. i suspect most engine builders like jamsport and nms etc prob do get there rods from these companies but maybe the companies are contracted to only supply the rods through the chosen engine builder NOT the general public.

you could if you like ring around to nms etc asking if they could get you them just to buy, karl is very helpful and he may be able to help with the pistons too, the engine we have is 1860cc in standard form (82mm piston), when they do the conversion you have a choice of piston/bore size, 82.5mm, 82.75mm and 83mm ie 1905cc.

hope this helps, keep me updated mate.

dave.

 

spoke to jamsport and they said if i can send them the rods and pistons then they can supply me with some, they said there are a few ways of doing it so they will have a few options for me. but they didn't mention a price. which probably means, loads of ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ

 

yeah maybe theyll do it different ways ie rod lenght and higher comression pistons to achieve the compression you want using the slightly taller block, im on the case again mate coz someone else showing an interest has given me the urge to try again.

let you know as and when i do bud.

dave.

 

well i'm tempted to give up on the tall block, i have a 300bhp fiesta turbo lump i built for my car so i'll just use that, i just wanted to use the tall block to be different and get lots of power. let me know if u find out anything, would be nice to have the tall block kicking out some big bhp. cheers

 

yeah mate, try to stay with it, its not detered me keeping with it and my power and torque arent too shabby, around town etc it fends off most, just nice for piece of mind with steel rods and forged pistons and an increase of power to go with it when the boost is upped would be extra fun lol.

where did you get the tall block from by the way ????.

dave.

 

I'm fairly sure that the rods (if the engine is a pre 88/post 88 the engine is an spi/it looks more like a zetec)are the same as the 1.6. I'm taking one of my 1.9's apart this weekend for the "steel rods needed" reason, so will let ya'll know what I find.

 

As for UK based forged pistons (not the cast ones S/E use) Accralite do them to special order.

 

hiya mate, have you got a bit of experience with the american cvh tall block from specialised ????. wouldnt the lenght of the rod be slightly longer ????.

cheers for ya help

dave.

 

I used to import them Dave, but aside from speaking to Ian at S/E the quick answer is no.
But, I do know of two peeps who's S/E's have holed pistons as
they have had fitted 'hypereutectic' (a special type of cast) pistons. The rod wouldn't necessarily be longer as it's the 'throw' of the crankshaft that provides the stroke. I've been messing around with these engines for a long time but (doh) never bothered to measure a 1.9 rod against a 1.6, but as I say I'm almost certain they are the same as indeed are the 2 litre ones. But they were only made for 2 years (97/98)which is why few people even know these ones exist.
John

 

We do steel rods and pistons for the "1900 american engine". However we do not supply parts to the general public for a DIY rebuild , but would be happy to rebuild your engine for you.

If we can help just give us a call.

 

the 1.9 rods are longer than the 1.6 one

 

I still doubt it check out my Bible/found it after much head scratching,-

www.fordracingparts.com/download/charts/217.pdf

 

and how much does that cost?

 

i might know a guy that can make rods for you,i was talking to him the other day and he says about Ł125.00 a rod,ill dig his number out for you dave

 

i suppose the answer will be it depends on the spec of the entire build...............im interested to know approx cost though aswell.

dave.

p.s newton, have you decided to sell your engine to the person that made you the offer ??????, the person i know isnt worth waiting on bud. i tried, but failed to convinced him by the looks of it.

 

ive said to the guy ill execpt his offer but not heard back off him yet

 

ahhh i see, how comes your interested in this topic then mate ?????.

 

just looking ,ill get that numberfor you if you want,my mate has a 1.9 short motor with stock rods and aris low comps,i think thats for sale,my next project is a zetec turbo,got most of the bit,just need standard engine to put it all in

 

Yep they're longer, crank journals are smaller too.

 

i noticed theres 2 different 1.9 blocks in your link john, the later block has slight diff dimensions, could this be why the one youve checked is diff to the 1.6 rods ????.

dave

 

i new they where ive been running one for the last 3 years

 

thought you had a 1.8 not an american tall block ??????.

 

Well Spotted Dave..
I thought what I was stripping today was an earlier (86) version.
However, when I took the head off it had a big(er) valve head on it.
That combined with the smaller rod journals leads me to think it was
a later version.. I'll have a shufty thru my crap(records) to see if
this is the case.

 

its the same block mate

 

so youve got an american tall block then ????.

going by your cc`s i gather ya didnt go for the 83mm piston (1905cc) if ya have that engine.

dave

 

no it uses pistons that are off the shelf for a differant engine

 

But what engine?

 

i cant tell everyone that but the engine is going up for sale soon,ive just bought rods and pistons for a zetec i want about 400bhp

 

why cant you tell anyone what pistons youve used mate ????. wouldnt the potential buyer want to know you think ????, i certainatly would. what size pistons did you use for you engine by the way ????.

dave.

 

who ever buys the engine will get the build sheets with it and all the receipts

 

off the top of my head i think it was 83mm

 

mine are 83mm and mines a 1905cc bud ???

 

sorry there 81mm

 

hey dave, sorry was on holiday, i got the bottom end of a mate who decided to buy a cossie, it made 226bhp but i wanna get closer to the 300 mark, thats why i want steel rods and forged pistons, then get some big boost in there. so have u had any luck with finding out where to get the rods and pistons from yet? cheers james

 

Great shame that the 'we can't tell you cos it's a secret' nonsense still persists with this one as it would invariably benefit a UK based supplier....
However I'm now getting mine made by Mike at R+R racing in Grant Park
(thats outside Chicago) who's got one of my rods winging its way to him
so he can copy it.
Including arp 2000's, dowling, radial serrations on the bearing caps, VAT
and import duty we're looking at 'slightly' less than the above.
Shame it'll helping GW's balance of payments but it's gotta be better
than buying something from someone who's not even willing to tell
you what it is.......

www.rrconnectingrods.com

 

hiya mate, the rod youve sent, is it from the block you stripped the other weekend or is it from another block ????. i ask as theyre was a bit of a grey area with regards to whether theres a diff between the two 1.9l blocks ????.

some people may not know which 1.9l they have, i for one havent a clue which one ive got. good on ya though for doing what ya doing to help others.



dave

 

if thats aimed at me my rods are just modified standerd rods and my pistons would be no good as you lot have bored it out to 1905 mine is only 1820cc