Billy_RS

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C'mon, lets get some really quick rs turbos together and do a qualifying day?

I went to totb 5 and saw 2 fiestas and 1 cossie?

The day was dominated by jap cars!

Lets ave it!

sas

Count me in. TOTB is the reason I built my ERST.
Simon.

Christian and Beccy

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TOTB will never be any different. It's why I don't waste my time doing it.

RST's are like the gap-fillers that just seem to get in the way.

sas

But Christian if you look at your times from last years Daddy thrash and compare them from this years TOTB results you are not so far away.
Simon.

Rick

RSTs are too muh of a good allround car. Noone can be arsed stripping it, jacking up the rear end, putting on stupid drag tyres etc.

Christian and Beccy

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That's not what I am concerned about.

Once you have done it, you will realise. TOTB 1 was a great event and it went downhill from there IMO. Last time I went, regardless of what results you had, if you didn't have a Skyline badge or an Evo badge, you were in the way.

Also, having to pay close to Ł80-100 for the privaledge of displaying your car for someone else to make money out of doesn't appeal. I would rather do a trackday.

Badman38

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totb has Defiantly lost its appeal totb 1 was quality run as the event should be run, but the last two have well people where more interested in the jap side of things, we just make up the numbers and to be Competitive especially with the times fwd have been setting if your car cant do at lease low 12s 1/4 and 160 tops then dont even bother turning up.

Charlie Chalk

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Mine wont ever see TOTB...

bassboy

would be awesome getting a proper RS Turbo team together...

Sunny
Paul J
Paul R
Christian
Green Orion (Sorry dont know the owners name)
Tim
Ollie
Jamie Going
Stuart Collins
Simon (sas)

im sure there are loads of others but no one seems interested...and i totally agree...TOTB 1 was the best...and its been downhill from there!

bassboy

aaronrst

i no these cars r fast but how many r running low 12's

bassboy

non apart from Paul R but im sure they can get into the 12's if driven right and with a bit of tweeking here and there...and im sure they will score well over the 3 disciplines giving a good overall score

bassboy

sas

Nice to see some support for the RST.

And I was thinking the same. Score well in all three catagorys, it is achievable.

My rebuild which is currently underway will see more power and I am yet to use the 100 bhp Nos.
S.

bassboy

Simon...should be an ANIMAL mate!! it already was

what power you hoping for overall with the NOS?

whats the spec of the new engine?

bassboy

Badman38

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for me to meet the totb Criteria ie low 12s or 11 and 160+ also to be Competitive in the Handling i would have to spend quite alot of money the car got the power but there are bits holding me back which i would have to do i need a boost controller where the boost comes in more Progressively which my current turbosmart boost controller is not capable of doing, a pair of modified driveshafts, a lower final drive and a wrc spec zoo motorsport built fully Independent and adjustable rear beam but i wont get much change out of Ł2300

sas

As you know at the daddy thrash my car was a bit smokey!
The reason for that was a chunk removed from No3 bore allowing oil to bypass the rings, also the head is cracked throught to the water jacket in 2 and 3.

That means I have to rebore to 86mm and get some new pistons made by Omega as I have skimmed the head by 3.6mm in total, no piston available to give the correct CR.
I think I will get some fancy skirtless pistons to reduce friction (wont last 20000 miles though).

With also modding the rocker posts to prevent them been ripped out I will seek a new cam profile to move the powerband even higher.

Nos 100bhp direct port

I believe the crankshaft should be good for 475BHP and 500lbs of torque, I will TRY to get the hole package as close to this figure as poss!

Simon.

gus

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Billy_RS

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475BHP? Yikes!

bassboy

sounds promising Simon!!! so many people seem to have problems with the rocker arms is there a way to stop this from happening?

Is there any chance of you being able to send me some more info regarding the droop eliminators? like where they attatch at the bottom of the strut?

cheers

bassboy

Badman38

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cvh head is getting on a bit maybe metal fatigue

sas

Yes it is getting on a bit!

There are 10 visable crack in the combustion chambers. 3 of them are LARGE!

I will try and weld them up, but it may be new head? The pain is my head is very modded, so if I had to replace it would take days to get it up to spec!
Big inlet and exhaust valves
Big ports with turbulaters
Skimed 3.6mm
Alternative M14 rocker posts
Modded lubrication supply
S.

Badman38

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simon when you plan to use your nitrous how much boost are you going to run? with 100shot your engine will probably make 140bhp at the crank and your boost will go up by at lease 3psi but.
i'm sure you are aware of this, you are asking alot of the block if you want to run full boost.

sas

Turboboss,
The block is only 3000 miles old and I have had it from new. The crank I will get lightened and balanced, we are runnin the same rods and I am putting new pistons in.
At the thrash I was only running 25psi (because of the Felpro) which gave a ??? top speed result. So based on the info gained I feel 28psi inc N2O will proberly be approching the limit of engine explosion!

I reserve the right to change my mind!

Simon.

Badman38

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i see what your saying m8 just i was only running a 50 shot and i can tell you even thats Unbelievably quick, 100 shot well the rods, pistons and crank will handle it no problem its everything else but if you are just going to run 25psi then there should not be a problem as such. your car going to do some excellent times on nitrous , the car impressive already

sas

Cheers mate,

I just need to learn how to launch!

Have you got any plans for more speed?

S.

CliffRS4

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I'd be interested in trying for this.

Badman38

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yes m8 change my final drive from 3.82 to either 3.58 or 3.33, bigger exhaust housing from 0.64 to 0.86 and maybe look at a wilder cam profile.
also set my boost control so i can have different boost pressures per gear at the moment its all or nothing and i have done faster 1/4 times with less power.
after christmas i need to purchase a set of toyo r888 there such a bid difference in grip compared to normal road tyres.

Badman38

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this is one thing i'm afraid of spent so much money on my head but due to its age and they are prone to cracking between the chambers.
what are turbulaters? and is the modded lubrication system to overcome the problem with oil starvation on cylinder four

Badman38

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hi cliff

your car finished yet m8? you have waited so long at lease you'll have time to enjoy it next year for the show season. totb can work rather expensive

CliffRS4

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Hi Sean,
Car could be finished within the next 2 weeks if I get organised.
What expenses are incurred when doing TOTB then? Intrigued.
Mind you I'd have to be in the country to compete

sas

Sorry but I missed these questions first time round, I have developed a jig, insert and studs to prevent the rocker studs from pulling out. I have proven it to 7500 so far. I am also just about to work on a new cam profile with Newman to use these extra revs. Then will sell it as a kit if there is any interest.

Simon.

SidZvh

Defo gotta be runnin low 12's for TOTB to stand a chance.
Even when i did it for TOTB4 high 12's were needed really

Anyway, hope the weather held out for everyone at the Daddy Thrash this year.

Cant wait to see what times were done. This year seems to have produced some really huge horsepower cars.

Cant wait to get back out there myself.

bassboy

Sid...cant wait to see your car again!!! i think our engines are going on the dyno on the same day...if i can get hold of AB in time LOL

bassboy

Billy_RS

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So, were not having a team then?

bassboy

in all honest i think its too early to say...there are some SERIOUS cars to come out next year and we HAVE to wait for them to be ready...the likes of Sunny, Paul J, Paul R, Orion guy, SidZVH, sas, Ian Howell, Sean (turboboss), Tim, Christian, Stuart Collins, Jamie Going, Cliff, Gus, Stevenbn etc etc...we WILL finish in the top 3 i reckon spread over the various disciplines...

i will even try to enter this myself whether the car is good enough or not i dont know...but i will find out once the engine and chassis mods are complete

bassboy

Andy_R

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Easy enough saying that there is going to be a team! Co-ordinating/organising is a buggar plain and simple.

From an organisers point of view its easy enough(with mag co-operation) to get cars together for qualifying.

What you then have are cars that have HUGE potential that couldnt make qualifying.
Cars that are proven but were'nt at qualifying & the results from the qualifying day its self.

Gathering the info together and selecting a team that's "the best" bearing in mind the three disiplines is where the problems start.

Everyone will be up for the qualifying day, but when it come's down to getting the cash out for entrance fee's, interested parties start to slowly drop off.

When owners sit and think about the real cost, of what is essentialy a day for the 10second and 200mph cars(Skyline & Evo boys as Christian puts it) its not such an interesting yet a pretty expensive day.

sas

Those that have been, what is the set up of the handling course?
What type of corners tight, sweeping and how much braking, how long are the straights?
Simon.

Christian and Beccy

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I'm still entertained by this and will revisit the TOTB thing later in the year to see you all post about how shite it was and how you wish you hadn't wasted your time!! LOL.

When you line up for a run at TOTB and behind, infront and beside you are Skylines and Evo's that will be putting in 9's and 10's and 200mph top speed's and as soon as you reach the line everyone sigh's and moan's "Yawn, not another FWD piece of shit, get it out of the way and let that Skyline through", then you will realise how pointless it is. Even the commentators find it hard to muster the enthusiasm. "....and here we have another RS Turbo, he should manage a truly astounding 13 second pass......" You can imagine just how captivated the crowd will be at that prospect!!

Sorry to be a stick-in-the-mud.

Billy_RS

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christian, bruv.

351BHP and 310LB/FT!

Thats enough to do the rs crew proud in the fwd class!

But why are you concerned about other people in skylines and evos?

OK they are running silly times... but a next level of performance.

All im saying is if get a few of the fastest rs turbo's up there, we can push these civics and fto crap out the way, and stamp some mother fu**ing authority!

Christian and Beccy

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Billy, that's exactly what I thought the first 2 years I did TOTB. Me, Keith and Dave Edwards were among the first people in the country to crack 150mph in an RST and we all did it at TOTB. We still all felt like we were in the way. Seriously, it's full of tuner-sponsored mega high budget cars and people who are only interested in looking at the cars they see in Banzai etc. I love every event I do, but this is not one for me.

Even the Cossie boys aren't really with the pace I'm afraid to say.

JohnW

The last two years the course has been pretty much the same, figure of 8, mostly mid 3rd gear, not particually long bends (apart from 1) and the straights are very short, obviously not too sure what they'll do this year but would think it'll be similar again. Fwiw the winner of the fwd this year was a Rover running iro 280bhp (just to show you don't need monster power).

I wouldn't worry about what Joe public thinks either. Surely the point of ANY event is competing and you're not competing against the cars running 9 / 10s 1/4's. Be good to see some RST's next year and there are certainally some very potent cars that seem to have turned up, its just not the same without you guys!