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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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It is powered by an 11kw Motor and will flow around 35,000CFM. We are in the process of having fabricated a Nozzle for the front to direct Airflow onto the Intercooler at high velocity.

I think we might be able to find a use for it perhaps.

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P.S. Yes, it does have a guard for the back!!
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:58 PM
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And it runs off a 12V car supply?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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tony mentioned a little about your new fan, and fuck
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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tony mentioned a little about your new fan, and fuck
Yeah, its part of APT's new Aircon system. We are supposed to have a heatwave this year.

....and it's 3-phase by the way.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
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tony mentioned a little about your new fan, and fuck
Yeah, its part of APT's new Aircon system. We are supposed to have a heatwave this year.
PMSl i thought it was cold enough down in the workshop area, hence why you had to employ little chris to do the mans work, and you sit up in your nice warm office

Seriously tho, thats a monster fan cant wait till i can come up and see it in use
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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So less than half the power of the one at AVA then - good effort, must try harder .
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:25 PM
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fitted a few of them in my time
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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So less than half the power of the one at AVA then - good effort, must try harder .
What are you saying?

AVA's is over 20kw??

Or there's is 70,000 CFM?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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Scoobyclinic have one a little larger for their RR....but still an awesome size......
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Looking forward to seeing what Airspeeds we see with that by the time it has the attachement on the front.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 02:26 PM
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i design fans like that for a living....

we do ones much much bigger than that.... (and much smaller!!)
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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looks v good - nice to see you are serious about it
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 02:45 PM
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In the words of Mick Dundee, "That's not a fan, now THIS is a fan...."



25Kw , directed so that it is forced through the front of the car, which gets parked inside here:



Note the underfloor extraction as well .

When we went, it was only running at 15Kw and so at 162mph road speed, struggled to keep air temps below 50°C (with WI) at 2.2 bar boost - RS500 intercooler / T4.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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christians fan looks cooler

We are only blessed with natural aircon up here - hence our cars make no power when they go south lol
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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what you cant see are the other 10 to 12 at a guess fans that support that room
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:14 PM
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Same ones I have supplying my engine room on my ship Christian. Been working for 20 odd years without missing a beat. Except the one that blew up last month
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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Christian and Beccy - Looking good!!
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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That fan was looking nice Christian, i am sure the new Aircon system will be suitably supplied with fresh air when fitted


Mike
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 06:21 PM
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both pathetic

do i have to wop out pictures of my monster again?

200kW motor

why do you want to make a nozzle to give you high air velocity? i could blow air at mach 1 if you gave me a small enough tube to blow through. but what would that acheive over the frontal area of a car?
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both pathetic

do i have to wop out pictures of my monster again?

200kW motor

why do you want to make a nozzle to give you high air velocity? i could blow air at mach 1 if you gave me a small enough tube to blow through. but what would that acheive over the frontal area of a car?
I just KNEW you would come on here and threaten pictures of your fan to make ours look silly!!

As for the Nozzle, what good is blowing air all over the front of the car? We are having an attachment made to suit the dimensions of an Intercooler/Radiator as these are the parts that are most dependant on the airflow. By concentrating the air in this way, the velocity will increase, thereby getting closer to the airspeed that is seen on the road, will it not?

Yes, with your 200kw motor, there would most probably be no need to concentrate the air in this way, but seeing that our fan is a fraction of the size of yours we need to make maximum use of the air that we are producing.

Make sense?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Fuck me sideways, that'll blow the roof off


Is that just to dry your hair Christian ??
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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sorry christian, it wasn't meant in such a nasty way.

you are right that there is no real need to blow air all over the front of the car, except doing so also replicates the airflow in and out of the engine bay.

my point was meant to be that it's not just about the windspeed, it's about the mass flow. but what you're doing is very good, and i'd be happier to have something like that than nothing.

how are you going to build something that is compatible with many different vehicles? could be tricky.

if you fit the nozzle up close to the front of a car, what pressure will that give, and how does that affect the CFM?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:27 PM
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 01:39 PM
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Following on from a reply to the Power Engineering thread, I felt that it was better discussed here, to avoid taking a decent thread off topic......

foreigneRS,

I do see your point and always did, however, how much detail is exactly required for a fan for this purpose??

If one really wanted to be thorough about things, then our engines would be built a whole different way. I, for one, know that there are things that I could have done to my engine internally that I opted not to do, just to keep things realistic. After all, we aren't talking F1 are we??

The same applies to the fan's that Tuning companies all across the world are using.

Regarding our fan, I have had an adaptor made to concentrate air to a reasonable sized outlet (and I don't mean 250x250mm) to direct airflow to the part of the car where Air would normally enter the engine bay. What's the point of blowing air at the wings and headlights? I just see alot of potential wasted air and it doesn't take an engineer to see that.

OK, so in an ideal world, we would have paid an specialist to sort our Fan scenario out, but we, like most other companies that still want to exist in 10 years and not have to charge Ł200 per hour labour rates to account for R&D of all the equipment that we use decided to have a go ourselves. Luckily for us, we aren't totally inexperienced. Our previous place of work use a fan of very similar design that is fairly successful and is only 3.5kw and with less than half the potential Airflow of ours, so we reckon on that basis, ours should be enough for what we need.

Besides which, we have plans to supplement it with Extraction too, which will greatly assist the Cooling effect.

It's a bit like saying that you need a WRC spec engine for a Stage 3 YB conversion. OK, so the strength would be good, but is it really necessary?
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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What rollers you getting RST king?

Will get you to hopefully run my car up this year as i will be doing a little tour

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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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Dont u think its a bit of a exsesive rad fan for the rst
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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Christian,

I can see that we're not going to agree on this one, so lets leave it at that.

Thanks for the discussion
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its the battle of the fans
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 05:39 PM
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hence the running cost questions a few weeks back


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Christian. it would seem you have started to beleive what Beccy tells you about bigger not always being better.

behind your back she told me you and ur fan are very under equipped for the job

surely you'd of done better just employing Mike on the weekends to sort out the blowing needed, hes more than qualified
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