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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:52 PM
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what camshafts do you recommend for having a bit of power low range aswell as power from 3k upwards as i dont want to sacrifice drivability as it would be used everyday so would just like to add torque and power? after market or standard if after market what ones?
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I would go std mate as been hearing few bads stories about some makes of cams wearing very quick had a kent cvh35 in mine but its worn so im fitting a std 1 back in it....
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CVH35 or Newman. Wouldn't use Piper 285T2 as a paperweight nevermind as a cam
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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CVH35 or Newman. Wouldn't use Piper 285T2 as a paperweight nevermind as a cam

285T in mine, no idea what the difference is but its done me fine. Lots of low down torque and lots of top end power Although the rest of my spec may have somthing to do with that rather than just the cam
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I would go std mate as been hearing few bads stories about some makes of cams wearing very quick had a kent cvh35 in mine but its worn so im fitting a std 1 back in it....
did you uprate all the springs as ive heard that if you dont it can cause the cam to wear quick?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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CVH34 for 1.6l.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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CVH35 or Newman. Wouldn't use Piper 285T2 as a paperweight nevermind as a cam

285T in mine, no idea what the difference is but its done me fine. Lots of low down torque and lots of top end power Although the rest of my spec may have somthing to do with that rather than just the cam
Is yours a 285T2 or a 285 though. There is a write up on why the T2 is a pants cam somewhere.
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I fitted a piper t2 in mine the car was undriveable off boost and had to wait till over 4k for the turbo to come in.

I then fitted a std cam had it all set up again and came away will a nice 225hp and a car that was soo much better to drive
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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I would say a kent cvh 34 as i personally think it's a cracking cam profile for low down torque, and still pulling at the top end. But i've had some really bad experiences with their cams wearing prematurely, twice in fact. If u could get a newman cam with a cvh34 profile i reckon it'd be ideal!
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I would go std mate as been hearing few bads stories about some makes of cams wearing very quick had a kent cvh35 in mine but its worn so im fitting a std 1 back in it....
did you uprate all the springs as ive heard that if you dont it can cause the cam to wear quick?
had the full cam kit fitted mine has done a few 1000 miles though with no probs but it now worn its just the new 1s ive heard bad stories thats why gone back to std as dont want spend all that money and it gets worn after a few miles not heard nothing about newman cams though
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I would go std mate as been hearing few bads stories about some makes of cams wearing very quick had a kent cvh35 in mine but its worn so im fitting a std 1 back in it....
did you uprate all the springs as ive heard that if you dont it can cause the cam to wear quick?
had the full cam kit fitted mine has done a few 1000 miles though with no probs but it now worn its just the new 1s ive heard bad stories thats why gone back to std as dont want spend all that money and it gets worn after a few miles not heard nothing about newman cams though
are you not ment to lube the cam then run it at about 2ooorpm once started for about 15-20mins to bed it/ prevent it buggering the cam? (not certain)
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 12:54 AM
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Deffo recommend Newman cams, i had a Piper T2 before and the difference when i got the Newman fitted was unreal, you can really feel the cam coming in now
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 07:21 AM
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I would go std mate as been hearing few bads stories about some makes of cams wearing very quick had a kent cvh35 in mine but its worn so im fitting a std 1 back in it....
did you uprate all the springs as ive heard that if you dont it can cause the cam to wear quick?
had the full cam kit fitted mine has done a few 1000 miles though with no probs but it now worn its just the new 1s ive heard bad stories thats why gone back to std as dont want spend all that money and it gets worn after a few miles not heard nothing about newman cams though
are you not ment to lube the cam then run it at about 2ooorpm once started for about 15-20mins to bed it/ prevent it buggering the cam? (not certain)
Yes. It's very important for the lifespan of the cam. I think many who complain about worn cams have neglected to do this.
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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i am also in the market for a cam and unsure as wot to get, thinking standard as im only holding 12psi but not keen on having to change if i go bigger power, wot sort of boost is the standard cam good for ie; wot power..
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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The standard cam is only good for low down and mid range. It's not a performance camshaft and the top end power is not good compared to a performance camshaft.
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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i currently have a brand new piper 285T kit in the box , it was a replacment as the original was faulty. would not put one of there cams in my car again

btw may be for sale soon
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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so if i have 12psi exhaust and filter but want more power later on maybe a zvh wot cam should i go for now.? i have a lovely rattle coming on so it really needs sorting asap and its not wise to just change the tappets.?
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I have 225bhp 18psi with a std cam
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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It would be more with a performance camshaft.
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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You won't see very big gains with performance cams unless you can tweak the ignition map to suit it.
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I got less with a piper t2
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 09:11 PM
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You won't see very big gains with performance cams unless you can tweak the ignition map to suit it.
If you time the cam correctly you would se power gains with a performance cam shaft. The standard camshaft is the same in every 1.6l carb and mfi. It's a compromise between tick over, drivability and top end. The top end is not as good as on a performance camshaft which has the top end as a priority. A special ignition map is not needed.
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Originally Posted by Rallyesport
A special ignition map is not needed.
No, not for the top end, but lower down the lost compression can be compensated with more advance to make better power at the 2500-4000 area.
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Originally Posted by Rallyesport
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I would go std mate as been hearing few bads stories about some makes of cams wearing very quick had a kent cvh35 in mine but its worn so im fitting a std 1 back in it....
did you uprate all the springs as ive heard that if you dont it can cause the cam to wear quick?
had the full cam kit fitted mine has done a few 1000 miles though with no probs but it now worn its just the new 1s ive heard bad stories thats why gone back to std as dont want spend all that money and it gets worn after a few miles not heard nothing about newman cams though
are you not ment to lube the cam then run it at about 2ooorpm once started for about 15-20mins to bed it/ prevent it buggering the cam? (not certain)
Yes. It's very important for the lifespan of the cam. I think many who complain about worn cams have neglected to do this.
done all this its an old cam and has had a hard life just ive heard a lot bad things about the new 1s wearing quick...
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Has any one tried any of these camshafts. CVHBP255, CVHBP270, CVHBP285. These are xr3i cams from piper. Wouldnt they give allot more power on the low down torque then a turbo cam?
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 05:30 PM
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If you want a compromise, the CVH34 is good. If you want top end, Piper T2 or CVH35. Newman is also said to be good. There is also a CVH36, don't now much about it.
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The Piper T2 is a fookin shit cam Wouldn't use one as a paper weight
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*a very respected tuners opinion*

"The 285T2 will never be right! Piper copied the CVH35 and altered the LCA by 8 degrees so not to be had under copyright laws - The ended up robbing all the energy that was available to spool up a turbo in the 3-4k region, but gained slightly on the top end HP.

Most people buy a T2 and think it's a fantastic cam because it's hardcore at the top end, but any CVH35 owner will know the diff immediately as the T2 feels gutless until it's seriously ragged. "
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so would a cvh 35 be any good for me.?
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CVH34 if you want stronger mid range. CVH35 is good for a 1.9l, but for the 1.6l CVH34 will give you a better mid range.
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not sure wot to do now might get a standard ford one
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If you are conserned about durability, buy the Newman kit. This is a good cam.
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 08:30 AM
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CheeRS is there different models or just the one cam.?
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Old Feb 7, 2006 | 07:10 AM
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Just one. About 280 pounds with springs and solid lifters which you must use.
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Is your engine std so far?
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
*a very respected tuners opinion*

"The 285T2 will never be right! Piper copied the CVH35 and altered the LCA by 8 degrees so not to be had under copyright laws - The ended up robbing all the energy that was available to spool up a turbo in the 3-4k region, but gained slightly on the top end HP.

Most people buy a T2 and think it's a fantastic cam because it's hardcore at the top end, but any CVH35 owner will know the diff immediately as the T2 feels gutless until it's seriously ragged. "
This is so true
when I had mine fitted buy the time the saff 4x4 turbo spooled up it was time to change gear anyway . Best thing i did was go std cam
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Old Feb 7, 2006 | 05:29 PM
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yes standard engine, k&N filter magnex exhaust holds 12psi, i might go zvh later down the line or maybe 1600 on cossie managment, i need to finish my restom on my rs2000 first though, then i can start on the rst..

like i said the only reason im thinking of changing it is due to the noise and wondered if it would be worth putting in a higher spec one. CheeRS
for your help..!
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