just seen on facebook another ford was stolen early hours of friday morning

in dagenham area ford orion rs turbo im waiting for more info on it...

im putting this up on here because the guy says on fb .............

who ever nicked it must have been following him coz he'd only bin home for 10 minutes realised he'd left his
satnav in the car went out to get it an it was gone

fuck me 10 minutes

 

Thats sickening. My chum got a skyline a few years back, got home and went out 20mins later and it was gone!!

Some dodgy cunts about

 

So, that's 4 cars now?! And all fairly local to each other?
For fucks sake... Hope they're all found soon!
Any pics or more details on this one?

 

values on RS cars and especially the parts market are causing a demand for such cars/parts to be stolen, so like any market the criminals are simply stepping up their game to fill their orders and if there were no customers waiting to buy such things they would not be stolen in the first place, sad state of affairs for sure

also no point in posting up this type of thread without the vehicle details

 

There can't be that much money in a RS Turbo Orion.

The shell is worth next to nowt, bits of trim etc you can get from Mk4 Escorts etc this just leaves the running gear and related bits which agian, box, engine loom isnt big money.

 

That is assuming it's been stolen to break, and not stolen to rag the tits off it and then burn it out

 

But when your not paying for it in the 1st place its still worth quite abit

 

+1
£150 for a tired mk3 fiesta bootlid!! WTF??

Hence im breaking mine up and leaving the scene, fed up of Eastwoods mugging genuine owners off, and sadly as said above too many people are willing to pay whats asked hence this shit continue's..

Hope it and all the others of late are found safe an sound,,asap.

Me im buying kia picanto, no danger of that disapearing

 

Where in dagenham fella

 

definitly the same group. id look in as many large lockups as possible. what kind of distance between the furthest of the cars is there? it may be worth sending a search party out, as many as poss. ok tresspassing is illegal but not as bad a theft of your pride and joy. a bollocking off the police isnt a bad trade off if it means you may find the cars.

 

I also think any owner of a rs model of any kind can expect there insurance to hit the roof with the way there being taken

Insurance company nightmare

 

That's a bit unfair tbh..

You don't know what spec the car is, how mint it is or what parts have been fitted to it..

Its also someones pride and joy at the end of the day





Could have comp mo's and a focus rs motor and box for all we know.

Just look at chris's mint moonstone zetec turbo on here.. (Slammedorion)

 

We don't know what the spec of the car is, and can only go on the wording used; to me and most others, an Orion RS Turbo is most likely to be a mk2 Orion (S2 shape) with an RS Turbo CVH in it.

So what Dennis says is potentially true - an Orion shell isn't worth fuck all in resale value; it's just an Orion shell at the end of the day - along with Orion doors, boot lid etc. Trim inside is going to be all Orion standard spec, with the exception of possibly the seats and dash, which are likely to be RS Turbo spec - so the standard stuff is worth fuck all, with only the (possible) Recaro's and dash clocks/gauges being worth a couple quid to sell on. Wheels and tyres are wheels and tyres at the end of the day, and vary widely depending on what they are and what size - as you said, Comp MO's will be worth more than stock 15" RS alloys (unless of course it has stock RS alloys that are absolutely mint, which are worth a few quid to a restorer or enthusiast)

RST CVH's are hard to come by, and the more specific the spec, then generally the lower in value it is (because a) it's harder to sell and b) people want different mods for different purposes. Example, not everyone wants a stroked and bored CVH with race cams and a hybrid turbo)

Running gear - 'box, driveshafts, hubs, brakes etc - again, most of it is likely to be stock Orion/Escort stuff, that's not gold dust.

So it's not worth an awful lot to sell on if it was stolen for parts. It's worth far more to the owner because they paid for it and they built it. But how many of these do you see being sold for the amount they cost? Virtually none - even in bits they don't recoup what they cost, most of the time far from it

 

for fuck sake.. thats not good.... people need to lock their cars the fuck up , stick D locks on each wheel and put bike locks round them etc,,, make them as secure as posible.... yours might be next..

Horrible thing to happen, have put it on my fb

 

Anyone know where this happened in dagenham ?

 

Just in terms of value for scum to strip and sell for parts, a Orion / RS turbo is no where near in the same league as a Cosworth Escort or Cosworth powered mk1.

I didn't mean it to come across as it doesn't matter etc - Totally gutting for the owner and worrying for us Ford lovers in general

 

Another one?? Where the Hell are these cars going?

Gutted for the owner. :-(

 

thing is even a old orion turbo still has a couple hundred quid in bits on it.

£200 for a few hours work (including stripping it) is a good little earner these days.

Most of these criminals know the cops cant really touch them and in the unlikely event of being caught, they will have broken and sold on bits from hundreds of cars making them 10's of thousands of tax free money all while they still claim benefits

and if they get caught, they will unlikely get long inside. Jacko for example, spent a long time in prison for the offences he was accused of. I can only guess he was used as an example as a first timer (as is often the case - hardly fair) and got big bird time as a result.

You bet your bottom dollar that the proper scum bags wouldnt serve 6 months and of course would have all thier previous car crimes "taken into consideration" and get concurrent sentancing meaning in effect they have wiped the slate clean ready to start again when they get out in 6 months.

 

As the cars are all being taken from the same area u would think the police would set up something where they fit a car with a tracking device and just park it up somewhere random
If it gets taken they can trace it and may put a stop to all this

 

That would be too easy!?

 

It would also involve spending money, and we all know the police don't like doing that. Well, at least not when it's of benefit to the tax-paying public anyway...

 

Doesnt matter what spec ect at the end of the day it's someone's pride an joy what gives any one the rite to just take it

 

Maybe the police won't do that but we can. . . I know it's no gonna happen but just a thought.

 

probably considered entrapment and hence illegal in this country.

I dont understand the concept of entrapment. Surely if youre a decent law abiding citizen, someone can leave a ferrari engine running keys in the ignition and you wouldnt touch it.

hence anyone who does nick it is clearly a thieving cunt and deserves everything they get, even if the situation was contrived.

Wouldnt surprise me if the fudgepacking doo-gooders have some theory that we all would steal something if it was on a plate in front of us and use that as a basis for making entrapment seem "unreasonable" action by the police.

The US do it all the time with bait cars etc and they lock the cunts up with full theft offences even though it was a bait car not a member of the publics.

Car crimes have low clear up rates, poor evidence usually, low conviction rates and low sentances when convicted so basically they arent bothered unless its one TWOC cunt on a major crime wave.
probably find its illegal to use entrapment as an individual too.

probably find its not considered TWOC because you set the situation up, expecting the car to be nicked to entrap a criminal. They would probably then argue you gave implied consent.

oh and knowing the cops in this country YOU would then be charged with allowing someone to drive your car without insurance or a license

not forgetting the fudgepacking liberal doo gooders would say you tricked a "poor disadvantaged" young person with addiction problems due to an abusive child hood or mental health problems or ADHD or similar bullshit excuses - ie anything to avoid making the criminal scum bag take personal responsibility for his actions.

 

probably find its illegal to use entrapment as an individual too.

probably find its not considered TWOC because you set the situation up, expecting the car to be nicked to entrap a criminal. They would probably then argue you gave implied consent.

oh and knowing the cops in this country YOU would then be charged with allowing someone to drive your car without insurance or a license

not forgetting the fudgepacking liberal doo gooders would say you tricked a "poor disadvantaged" young person with addiction problems due to an abusive child hood or mental health problems or ADHD or similar bullshit excuses - ie anything to avoid making the criminal scum bag take personal responsibility for his actions.[/quote]

Yeah but you just wouldn't tell the police, you simply do it and cattch the cunts and all say you had a party at the said address and car alarm went off you all ran out "boom" job done!

 

"boom job done" = at least assault charges for excessive use of force these days.

although there was recently a case where a couple shot an intruder with a shotgun and they are NOT going to be charged with any offences. Finally some sense on the matter of defending property. However until it is a successful court case then it wont be a legal precedant and hence likely grounds for a review of legislation.

Unfortunately in this country, a decision not to charge doesnt mean something is legal/not legal. prime example where such things are misused is DVLA SORN fines. most sheep just pay up, however some do challenge DVLA in court as nothing in the law requires you to chase DVLA up, hence they cant issue a "fine" for failing to do so. Also as posting is considered legal method of delivering documents, they cant prove you didnt send the forms in time, even if they were lost in the post. DVLA will pursue aggressively then drop it at the last minute if they believe you have the nouse and representation to win the case. They drop it to avoid a legal precedant being set. If a legal precedant is set, others can use it in thier cases. it would then be onus on the DVLA to appeal to a higher court and offer evidence which they dont have so DVLA avoid the situation.