Ive seen utterly nothing yet to say that anyone breaking the speed limit was even so much as a contributory factor in the recent tragic accident on the M5 near where I live in Taunton, let alone it being the cause and yet our local MP is using it as a reason to lobby against increasing the speed limit to 80mph.

Winds me right up the way everyone blames speed all the time when there are other far more important things they should be tackling like the standard issue gap left on a motorway these days by most other people seems to be well under a second, nowhere near the 2 second rule any haf decent driver should be trying to stick to, we need to target bad driving rather than fast driving!

So frustrating having to share the roads with such a bunch of mongs and then the speed limit being aimed at them rather than those of us who do leave a decent gap etc.

 

thats pants

thought it were the bombfire/fireworks display that caused it anyhow?

 

plus the fact that most new drivers dont even go near a motorway untill they have passed there test, then shit themselfs, as the norm the anti speed preechers come out, they need to look at the bigger picture, narrow minded fuck wits.

 

just out of interest how many pile ups happen on the auto barn in germany
due to the speed factor

 

...if folk could legally travel at 80mph then youd see more doing near 90 as you can get away with upto 10% so that accident could have been alot worse, good call by that MP imho.

 

MP is clearly a typicaly cluesless politician that's full of shit and happy to use whatever he can to make a name for himself.

Anybody who thinks seperating speed out from all other factors is anyway to achieve improved safety on our roads is an equally clueless fucktard.

 

He should be arguing the case to ban Bonfires surely?

 

Good windup

 

Or the rest of the country should use him as an arguement to all politicians being stupid corrupt twats?

 

You can get away with up to 10% now supposedly but that is an unofficial law. IMO if you are doing 82-84mph (to allow for some speedo error) in an 80mph speed limit you should be done for speeding. Additionally, you don't actually need to be going faster than 80mph. I rarely give it the beans on the motorway and generally hover around 70mph sometimes less. If you want to get there quicker LEAVE EARLIER

The standard of driving in this country is absolutely shocking at best. One end of the scale you have the utterly scared shitless twats who lane hog, don't follow proper conduct and generally are a complete and utter liability due to the fact they are crapping themselves behind the wheel to the absolutely moronic, kamikaze, ignorant, selfish wankers who don't give a hoot about their fellow driver and drive with such stupidity I actually hope they hit a lamp post one day because it might actually stop them from driving like a twat and God forbid into somebody else.

 

I completely agree Chip!!

Speed will always get blamed in these situations unfortunately, when the majority of times, it's down to something completely different, i use the M6 daily to get to work, juction 16-15 and the standard of people's driving is pretty shocking tbh, tailgaiting, changing lanes with no indication, undertaking, truck drivers overtaking each other, reducing the motorway to one lane effectively for mile after mile because they're crawling past the truck next to them at 0.1mph faster. Speed may have played a part but i'm sure it wasn't the only cause.

I seriously think people should be made to take an intelligence test or something before they're allowed to drive a vehicle because there's some right dumbasses out there lol

 

Tend to agree with alot of this.



Most issues on roads are caused by drivers not moving left once they have passed something. This winds up people whi are in a hurry/trying to stick to their timetable.

I think that perhaps a minimum speed limit or a speed range per lane should be instroduced and then the dicks who sit next to lorries doing 56.1mph will allow all three lanes to be used effectively.



I also think that Chip is correct regarding the 2 second rule. If people were paying attention and left a two second gap then they could lift of rather than brake and the tool behind who was texting whilst tailgating wouldnt shit themselves and overbrake ad infinitum until there was a phantom queue.

 

The current speed limit was set when cars had 4" wide wheels and drum brakes on the front.

A modern car can slow down from 80, 90 even 100 mph faster than almost any car could from 70mph when the limit was set.

How any one can honestly belive that 80mph is to fast and will cause more accidents is beyond me.

 

I don't think they should increase the speed limit due to the twattish attitude of english drivers.

You go to Germany and you find decent lane discipline and people move out of the way when someone is travelling quicker behind them. They don't think, "Fuck you, I'm going to sit in the outside lane and I'm doing the speed limit" like the idiots you get over here.

I am English born and bred by the way. I drove down to Plymouth last weekend to see a friend and the amount of wankers I saw on the motorway shocked me. 55mph in the middle lane and when you go to overtake they speed up... Before slowing back down. Wankers driving inches from the back of the car in front when it is raining. Increasing the speed limit will just mean they will be driving inches from the the car in front at a higher speed.

It's a shame really as Germany has shown it can work. It's just the morons on the road over here which make it a bad idea

 

There wasnt a bonfire, and the fireworks display finshed a quarter of an hour before the accident.

May turn out to be a factor, but I think the fog was the major one, and of course the fact that no doubt some of the drivers were driving too close as per usual.

 

Then get emailing the cunt, and asking him to explain his stupidity. Or start a campaign against him

 

Thing is I drive quick most of the time an have been fine because I pay attention , use mirrors indicate etc ,most crash's are down to drivers shocking bad habbits and lack of skill speed is not the greater factor here ,people could do with taking pride in there skill of driving and aim to be good at it not just see it as durping along just doing a to b with little attention to what is about them and what they are doing.

 

As already said. The m5 crash IMO was just down to bad driving. To many idiots on the motorways.
There's some truly shocking drivers out there, they should stay off the roads.
I feel safe on the motorways at speed. Put the limit upto 100mph plus for me.

 

No speed limit can stop mong drivers!

 

Exactly!!

 

or closing down all the rugby clubs so it cant happen again?

 

I've seen it all with this crash, ban bon fires, ban fire works, drop the speed limit, all of which will probably be considered by the government.

what happened to common sense, if its foggy, heavy rain, poor visibility, etc slow the fuck down and drive at a speed the suits the conditions its not rocket science

 

Makes little difference to me if the limit was 180 i would still be in danger of a ticket.

 

they should up the limit to 80 at least

lets face it, the faster your going the less time is spent on the roads getting to your destination

Crashes on motorways are mainly from dickheads being dickheads or lack of concentration.

Im a learner, and even i dont understand how you can crash in a straight line


the autobahns in germany are safer than our roads and you can go as fast as you want... says it all really

 

It doesn't. For this reason alone it is entirely wrong.

 

I, and the equations of motion, would be inclined to dis-agree with you.

Same distance, higher speed = less time.

 

In an ideal world of no traffic, give ways, roundabouts, traffic lights, this works. In the real world, it doesn't.

There's a game I LOVE playing on the North Circular and the M1. It's called "catch the moron doing a gazillion miles per hour and weaving through traffic whilst taking my time" I generally win because I plan ahead, knowing how lights are synchronized, where traffic is, what lanes travel quickest, and how to vary my speed accordingly to make smooth and steady progress.

 

Oh come on, are you saying you would never be able to drive any faster than 70mph? If there is one single instance you did, then the statement is correct.

No-one is trying to say how much time would be saved, just that *some* would be.

You can't argue with that.

 

Oh no I don't disagree there at all. It's simply some people's attitudes about 70mph is too slow, it NEEDS to be 80mph, everyone would get there quicker will just simply not be true. The only time it is beneficial to be doing such speeds is on a clear run stretching by a very good length of miles. Otherwise it won't matter if you do 50mph or 100mph.

 

Couldn't agree more! I aim to leave myself plenty of a gap when driving, especially on motorways. I also adjust my driving to changing conditions but seems like the mongs don't realise that driving bumper to bumper at 90 in the pouring rain is any different to driving in completely dry weather!

 

your assuming the guy thats doing 100 is incapable of judging traffic flow and planning ahead like yourself?
combining them both is a win win situation.

 

never heard anything so daft. that has to be the least persuasive argument ever put forward!

 

Yawn fucking yawn you one trick pony, blah blah blah!

 

above lol

 

My hero lol.

 

For not using a booster seat?

 

Ive just got to the outskirts of london, as I do at this time most sunday evenings having left somerset at 9:30 ish.
Would definately benefit me being able to drive along the M4 at 100mph instead of 70mph.

My point wasnt really that I think the speed limit should be increased though, just that I think if an MP is going to be making any plans based on the crash, it should be about the causes of it, which speed wasnt as far as im aware.

It seems like road safety ONLY means speed to most people, and thats actually a very small part of it in reality, by focussing on that we miss all the REAL issues, like correct spacing and driving to the conditions etc.

 

Road safety means £££ for the government. That is the only thing they care about. Dreaming up as many ways to fine people who own cars as possible, all in the name of "road safety"

Those wankers wouldnt know road safety if it drove over their bloody heads.

 

Sad but true

 

I agree that most accidents are caused by doughnut fucking drivers who either don't give a shit about other motorists or are just plain shit drivers!!

While I was at work yesterday I nearly had my van written off by another driver who didn't see (or didn't bother to look) his traffic light was red!! Just sailed through at what I estimate about 30mph!! He just managed to avoid me, lost control and hit a traffic island and then had the audacity to get out shouting and screaming at me calling me all names under the sun!

As soon as he realised there were other people that saw what had happened, he got in his car and fucked off!!

It's cunts like that that cause the majority of accidents IMO.