Could anyone give me a quick guide to doing it, from the start to finish, ive got a vernier and newmans phase 4 cam, my tuner said it will be fine to time it up to factory settings so im able to drive it to his garage then he will do the actual cam/vernier settings..So all I need is a couple of directions on it.

Thanks, Joe.

 

set the vernier to zero, on the head there is a dot directly above the cam, put the timing mark on the pulley to this, on the lower pulley is a groovd line this up with the largest of the three points on the timing cover, lever the tensioner over but not too hard an tighten it checking nothins moved, turn the engine 2 revolutins by hand and check again, if all is still good it will be fine, be warned tho yo may need a timng light for the distrubter if you have moved it

 

ok thanks mate, car is on efi, omex so no dizzy.

thanks, Joe

 

Got it all to what I thought was TDC but it's running like a bag of shit, I'm thinking maybe I'll have to undo all the Allen keys on the vernier and advance/retard the vernier until it sounds better..Good thing is it's up and running!

Any ideas/help is appreciated.

Thanks, Joe

 

did you get a spec sheet with the cam, it might tell you the advance values on there

 

no, it came on the head that I brought..It's only so the car runs 90% to drive it to the garage to be setup properly, I won't be wanting to use all the power from the cam or anything..

Thanks, Joe

 

just advance it until its running right. advantages of an adjustable vernier.

 

just try advancing little be little and see if it helps any if not try retarding, if your running omex will it not need a remap?

 

set to o then get it setup

 

did you use the ford timing marks on the block and head?

 

Right, turns out ive made a big cock up..

I didnt know it because im not mechanic that ive got ARP headbolts, i didnt know they were a different torque to normal headbolts :/

All we have done is try and start the car, it started for about 4 seconds then stopped, since then we havnt been able to get it going again, tried starting it maybe 8 times or so..I rung my tuner and asked for the headbolt torques and he told me they are 93nm which is alot more than we done them to when we put the head on..

The question is, can i just torque the headbolts down to 93nm or should i get another gasket and start from the begining, i wont need my head skimmed again as it hasnt really been run apart from the 4 secs and turning over..

What do you guys advise? New gasket/Keep gasket and tighten up headbolts from where they are now..

We all make mistakes haha :/

Thanks, Joe

 

93nm ?? don't think mine were that high. what did you torque it to first time

 

the head bolts wont make it run like you say

do you have the plug leads on in the right order

sounds like you dont have the right fireing order or could even be 180* out
or its not timed up at at number 1 tdc
has to be spot on when timing it up as you dont have a dizzy

 

so you use these , tells you how to torque them

http://www.burtonpower.com/parts-by-...s/cv191hd.html

 

well his tuner says they go to 93 lb/ft when they state on burtons web site max 60 lb/ft

 

Ive got arp headbolts not ford stretch ones..I did the headbolts up to 60nm when i put the head on, then tried starting it etc and thought id ring my tuner to check the torque settings to be sure, and he came out with 93nm with arp bolts..which is like 70lbs or whatever..

 

well clearly he is wrong lol

what else does he get wrong

i think you have a timing issue or fireing issue

 

here's the info

https://passionford.com/forum/ford-e...-stud-kit.html

 

and i take it all the ecu plugs are on and in the correct place

 

how did you fit the belt?, did you use the marks on the block/head

 

does your omex use a crank sensor??

 

yeah none of the ecu plugs got taken out..Used the marks on the head with the mark on my vernier and a mark on the bottom pulley with the biggest triangle/tooth mark on the crank case/cover..

Think i may just go for standard gasket and headbolts, cant go wrong then can i?

 

its not the gasket or head bolt mate

try a standard cam pully on standard marks
take plug 1 out and put a long screw driver in the hole to check number 1 is a tdc then re look at the marks to double check
then check the leads are on in the right order

if it ran like shit and it wasnt timed up or the fireing wasnt right then you may have killed the plugs so take them all out and make sure they are dry and clean
that could and would stop it from re starting

 

yeah luke it does use one, i know they are very sensitive and if they arent close enough, it will stop it from starting..

 

simple things, does it have a spark? fuel?

 

Gave up on this for the winter and think I might try again, whilst timing up the engine with a mate I bent some valves and somehow the pots were full of water so when I turned it over, water shot out the plug holes when I took the spark plugs out, so I blew another headgasket whilst trying to get it running!! anyone know what could of happend? we made sure it was TDC etc..

maybe a cracked block?

Thanks, Joe.

 

mods can you move this to the escort section please..

Joe

 

when fitting the belt you MUST make sure the thrust side of the belt is tight or when you move the tensioner over it wont time up correctly!

i realy cant see how you have blown a HG just by terning it over nor can you crack a block just by cranking

i think your best off taking it to some one with more experience

 

Well i dont understand how water can get into pot 2?

also i didnt mean i thought i cracked the block when turning it over i just thought that might be why there was water in pot 2?

it was a specialist garage that did it all which ended up blowing the gasket after a few hundered miles :/

Thanks, Joe

 

was the head skimmed when it was off?

 

yeah had it skimmed the day before :/ don't understand why there would be water in pot 2? any ideas?

thanks, Joe.

 

cracked head, block may need decking, head bolts not tight enough/bad gasket seal, cant really see the bore sleeve being cracked, could be a number of things mate

 

did it have water in pot2 before taking the head off?

 

this is a good question actually

 

There wasn't any water in there when I took the head off the first time, it got in there after we put the freshly
skimmed head on and tried timing it up and starting it...weird one :/

Joe

 

^ take it to someone who knows what they are doing

 

yeah think I'll go to a different garage this time though...

thanks Joe.