hi all, Im A huge old skool Ford nut,,,,i am buying a escort mk5 5 door in april, and was wondering if anyone knows how to, or knows of anyone or where i can get a escort/fiesta RS Turbo engine it fitted with all bits, eg ecu,gearbox etc, but dont wanna pay thousands of pounds as the car is costin me 50 quid off mate
so only want to pay up to about 400 ( if thats even possible)
just want a sleeper to kill all these idiots in saxos and clios etc round my ends really, and to be the first in the area with a turbo'd car

so if anyone can point me in the right direction i would be very grateful for any help i can get

 

Not a chance of getting it done for under 400 quid im afraid bud, maybe under a grand if you do the work yourself though

 

dam 400quid you will be lucky to get decent parts, let alone fitting

 

iv found complete engines for around 250/300 with gearbox and all ancillaries and stuff, is there any way i can do it all myself? id need to rent/borrow an engine crane obviously, but i really want this to happen, and i could probably stretcch to about 600 700 to get it done, labour costs alot these days lol, i just really want this done

 

You're doing well to get everything for £250/300, where's this from out of interest? Ebay or on here?
Bear in mind if your going to do it you want to do it properly, otherwise you're going to spend more time fixing it than driving which is NOT fun. Remember the CVH turbo's are getting on a bit now and can require a bit of attention especially if you get a dog.
It's all of the little odds and sods that end up costing a packet too, the bits you don't think about.

Did your 250 -300 include wiring loom, fuel tank and lines, ecu's, then mapping or a good set-up, suspension and brakes to cope with all that extra power. It all adds up unfortunately.
If your on a budget have you thought about a Zetec, much cheaper to do, easier to fit and potential for good NA power.

Not trying to put you off, but trust us, it can be expensive!

 

for that money i wouldnt count on it lasting, mate of mine just finished a rs conversion on his bonus ( and i stripped a rs selling at below market price and giving him lots of parts) and that still cost more than that, as jimmyc said.. mapping/tuning will do a good hit on £400 on its own.

not slagging you off mate but £400 not realistic, im looking to build similar for my mk5 fiesta and the engine set up (loom,management, rebuilding a decent spec lump) is 2k atleast

 

i know they are expensive, theyre beautiful rare cars only 1 in my area,
well iv found them on here and ebay, i think it was clutch engine block wiring loom turbo and all the smaller bits, jus needed a gearbox exhaust and ecu i think , not too sure...And what do you mean by zetec? 2.1 or 2.0? id Love to go down the 2.1zvh route but sounds Very costly to me ?
or do you mean zetec 2.0 out a mondeo and turbo that? would that be much cheaper than buying a whole rst engine for 4/500 complete with gearbox etc, basically everything but a fuel tank/pump or something like that?

 

i was going to do the same thing mk5 fiesta but im not gonna pass up a decent 60k miler escort for 50quid

 

Please take some advice from someone who's been there and done it. Dont. just dont.

Buy a running example without tax or mot, and transfer everything from a running example. the car will cost you around £1000- £1200 for a shitbox but you'll make a little bit of money off selling some parts you dont need.

but if you do it your way trust me you'll spend double buying small stupid bits you never even knew you needed, and even then they're untested. theres no cheap way to get proper (reliable) power mate, it simply can't be done.

if you want to do it for £400, go 2 litre zetec, 130bhp and as reliable as you'll ever get.

 

how old are you out of interest? thought about the cost of insuring it if your stretched for cash on the build? as said a zetec is your best bet. maybe the xr3i 130ps stuff. Though insurance will be high. As you must realise you have to declare all modifications?

 

i rst'd my old mk5 and it turn't out to be rather expensive!
you need to have the engine loom modified/extended, custom exhaust made up, cvh p/s setup if the car currently has p/s? fit an esc cos intank fuel pump, the list goes on, in the end i just bought another escort that had the work already done and just swopped it over, but even that cost me 2k for the car
as said, would be much easier/cheaper just to put a non turbo zetec in. alot less chance of thing's always going wrong, abit cheaper to insure, and alot less faffing about!

 

i will take in hand every bit of advice given mate, lol, i havnt thought of an exact plan at the moment as its only january and got 3 months to plan it to a T, and normally the only cars that are in my budget are in Wales or somwhere more than a million miles away, i would like to do that though, like you said, i could sell the parts, and to be fair, i forgot to mention, Im on a bAn at the moment
until november the 23rd this year, its a pisstake so id have another 5 months or so to source, buy and fit parts iv bought over them months,and the small bits can be bought as soon as i see them if theyre nicely priced and i havnt really got a limit for money just the time up til november, i have a fair bit of free time too at the mo,so could work out for the best and the insurance will be ok, im gonna keep it down as a 1.6 zetec escort so shouldnt b that high

 

i see your point mate and tbh its a goodun, i could go down the mondeo 2.0 lump but would that involve much fabrication?

 

im 20 mate, but will b 21 in april so i should get cheaper insurance? or is that only for if youve been driving since you were 17/18 ? i was thinkin xr3i but i want a turbo, i know itll be expensive , but its a dream haha.
and ill be declaring the mods such as alloys and body mods/interior, but id keep it logged up as a 1.6 zetec, or can that result in loads of trouble?

 

Got to be honest mate, your not doing too well so far on here, so far you've been racist & confessed to insurance fraud, quite impressive for 19 posts

Im not one to judge though.

Back on topic as i said earlier though, 2.0 Zetec N/A, then cams & bike carbs when you can afford. Or save up for a while and do it properly.

 

if you already have a zetec fitted it's a straight swop job morealess, just need to swop the sump, oil pickup pipe, oil pump and a couple of other small bit's over, and find the correct ecu to run it.

join up on either

www.escortevolution.co.uk or

www.fordescortclub.co.uk or

www.feoc.co.uk


plenty of advise to be had on all the above about anything escort related

 

just one question lol , Racist ?? how??
im not a criminal by the way i jus took my mums car out one day and wished i never did
might actually have to go down the bike carb route, i did think of that, but that costs a bomb doesnt it ?

 

just dont bother, i hate to sound like a boring tit but your never going to do it, its pretty obvious. And yeah you would have to declare it. If you want something fun and bit different maybe a mk4 escort xr3i or something, can get a fair one for under a grand. Just have a wank to clear your head.

 

thanks for that, joined the escort club , the 2.0 engines are pretty cheap nowadays aswell, it has the 1.6 zetec at the mo, so i think 2.0 will have to be my choice , untill i can afford the turbo

 

Ahem....
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...ocus-rs-2.html



ITB's or carbs can cost a bit of cash, depends how you run them - i.e management & fueling. Can be done for reasonable money i think though. A lot of the locost (caterham style on a budget) use them.
Sound mint though

 

LOL to the wank bit, its ok im actually used to being put down haha i think il just ahve to go for an xr3i or 2.0 modeo lump, coz turbo is looking a bit too much work for me for now, i can weld, fibreglass, filler and etc, would just have trouble gettin the engine out, i have a few mehcanic mates so it couldhelp, thanks for your advice tho buddy, much appreciated

 

haha i forgot about that, well i have reason really, i have had trouble with asians before , stealin my pushbikes and mopeds etc, one boy smashed up my fiesta si, i loved that car, thats why lol, im not in any way racist i just had a bad day and took it out on asians, i am sorry if it was taken in the wrong way..... an throttle bodies good idea! why didnt i thinkof that,,are Jenvey any good ? see them on alot of cars, and always hear good things.

 

if your on a budget mate 2liter mondeo engine probably best option if it already has zetec it only matter of swaping bits over and improving bits as ya go. And just do it pikey way and drop the engine out the bottom

 

i think thats gonna have to be my option..when you say drop it out the bottom , wont that rip anything or break anything? obviously id remove everything there is to be removed to get the engine in/out, would i need mondeo engine mounts or would they have to be made? as you can tell im not very mechanical minded, but know a few people who are qualified.

 

far as i know your own engine mounts should bolt on along with water pump alternator sump flywheel and few other bits you;ll need to swap over. just saying if ya cant get engine crane just drop wholefront subframe on a couple of jacks

 

that doesnt sound Too hard, all within my budget and knowledge etc, if not im sure i can find somewhere to do it, i canprobably get an engine crane aswell, im sure you can rent them for around 40/50pounds per day , , if i put the car up on a set of axle stands would that make it any easier to get to and everything? would that need any suspension/brake mods, escort gti brakes all round, would that be any good as my mate has a blown up blue one

 

ah its a simple enough swap handy just but the 2 engines side by side and c what need to be swapped over. ya should find plenty of info on net. not sure if gti brakes are any different to rest of mk5s not that up on more modern stuff ya might be able fit mondeo front brake

 

i might get some rs2000 brakes, surely they will be useful for the 2.0 mondeo lump,, the gti has a lot of nice parts on it i can get cheap, hence the gti brakes theory .. thanks for your advice, one last question thoughh, do you know if a ford galaxy throttle-body would improve anything being a 2.3 litre ?

 

Good fucking luck.

 

Admire your enthusiasm. We were all young once and you gotta start somewhere. Spend the next few months doing some proper research buddy and when you come to do the build you'll be well in the know.

 

you want a turbo car?you want to beat all the local boys?you have 4-700 quid?
may i suggest this?it will MULLER saxos etc and be nicer and faster than any zetec or rst engined mk5 escort you MIGHT finish (been there many times with unfinished projects myself!)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1997-FIAT-COUP...#ht_1023wt_934

 

Driving a car with invalid insurance is the same as driving uninsured. I hate uninsured drivers.

 

before you do anything, get an insurance quote.

you said your on a ban for taking your mums car, did you get done for no insurance?

if so you'll struggle to insure a push bike, never mind a car with a power/engine upgrade.

 

After coming off a ban you'll be at least a year off being able to insure anything even remotely interesting.

 

https://passionford.com/forum/cars-f...or-spares.html

what about this mate

 

just my 2pence worth mate
if you get pulled with a car logged as a 1.6 with a 2.0 or 1.6 turbo in it you will get done for no insurance, now insurance companys will fuck you for 10 years as this is how long you have to declare it for, on insurance terms this is worse than drink driving it happened to a mate clean license bar the tug for no insurance he is 27 with no accidents and pays £3500 insurance for a 1.1 saxo now he has his license back his solicitor actually told him before he went to court for the offence that when he gets his license back he may as well throw it in a drawer somewhere as insurance will be astronomical so dont bother driving lol!

so my suggestion instead of converting a mk5 escort for a couple of grand why dont you just buy an escort or fiesta rs turbo? you can get a decent (allright not mint) one for 2 grand or less with mot possibly tax and just tidy it up as you go along? as in my experience to insure a converted car will be the same if not more to insure as the real thing is

 

yeah i was looking at this earlier, wouldnt cost that much either itwouldnt have to be perfect as its my first legal car , but i doubt it would be there til april,plus as people have said, insurance will be A KILLER for me, like with the nicer cars, (iv been stupid with my life, and now learnt the error of my ways)

 

iv been researching nearly all day about the insurance and i think id get laughed at on a 1.6 tbh, but iv also been thinkin, after my 1st ax gt, i waswondering if theyd be cheap on the insurance as they can b classed as classic cars cant they? 1.4 and they are rapid

 

not entirely true,i got banned,kept my insurance going,got another years ncb,then when i got my license back it was cheaper than before!