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I do have a large vise at home for me to use! but normally it is the roller bearings in a carrier that is collaps that is the problem. So if the outer sleeve is not compramised you can leave it in, if not - I use the vice! So far I have had to use the vice 1 out of 2 times, I also left the hub and sleeve in the freezer over night then heated the hub a bit to help it out! - just remember to use a platic bag to put the hub in or your wife / partner might get upset!