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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 04:12 PM
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Default MTX75/ST170 6 Speeder?

Decided im going to fit one of the following to my zetec turbo.

Anyone fited them? Need some info on them etc...Pics would be good!

In terms of shafts i know Jano and Sitech make customs one for both boxes, but has anyone made any? If so have you and pics sizes lengths etc??

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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 04:15 PM
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Fit Focus RS box!
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 04:23 PM
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 04:38 PM
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i have fitted the mtx to both escort and fiesta turbos and got a 6 speed to fit to a cvh .and made my own shafts too.
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Find me one then!!!
what next... fit it too!


Its far easier to fit that box and cheaper too, im sure a few posts on wanted section and call to breakers you will find one.

ST170 ones are about but you dont get the fancy diff with those
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i have fitted the mtx to both escort and fiesta turbos and got a 6 speed to fit to a cvh .and made my own shafts too.
Possible to fit a 6 speeder to a Silvertop Block/sump? I don't fancy swapping out my sump with all the bits done on it.
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Possible to fit a 6 speeder to a Silvertop Block/sump? I don't fancy swapping out my sump with all the bits done on it.
yes thats easy
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yes thats easy
So how would it be done? I know you'd need to grind a bit of the block on the Silvertop as the starter fouls on the edge, and on the Blacktop the sump has pickup points for the gearbox itself. Then I am assuming that you'd need to make a custom bracket up to enable the use of the equal length driveshafts on the silvertop block?

Failing that I'd love to be able to fit the 6 speeder into my Mk1 - but using the same bolt holes/front starter as a BC box as then I can mount it on a bearer and not have to faff with custom mounts.

Possible to weld a BC bellhousing to a 6 speeder?
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So how would it be done? I know you'd need to grind a bit of the block on the Silvertop as the starter fouls on the edge, and on the Blacktop the sump has pickup points for the gearbox itself. Then I am assuming that you'd need to make a custom bracket up to enable the use of the equal length driveshafts on the silvertop block?

Failing that I'd love to be able to fit the 6 speeder into my Mk1 - but using the same bolt holes/front starter as a BC box as then I can mount it on a bearer and not have to faff with custom mounts.

Possible to weld a BC bellhousing to a 6 speeder?
the box will bolt up fine with the 6 bolts onto the block, and yes you will need a custom braket for the centre shaft,luca had one made when he went dry sump have a look in his resto
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just bolt on the st170 sump and use the half shaft and bracket as standard
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Originally Posted by Luca
just bolt on the st170 sump and use the half shaft and bracket as standard
or a standard 2.0l blacktop sump.tho he said he didnt want to.defo the best way to go imo
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Originally Posted by Luca
what next... fit it too!


Its far easier to fit that box and cheaper too, im sure a few posts on wanted section and call to breakers you will find one.

ST170 ones are about but you dont get the fancy diff with those
You dont get your hands dirty Luke!

If one comes up for the right money ill have it!
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Does the Focus RS box fit the same as the MTX?
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Crazycage: So how did you fit the 6sp to a CVH?
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Crazycage: So how did you fit the 6sp to a CVH?
i cut a small part of the bell housing off the bc box and welded it into the getrag casing for the starter motor.
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Anyone fitted an Focus RS box? Is it the same as a MTX75 box?
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Originally Posted by mattseries2
Anyone fitted an Focus RS box? Is it the same as a MTX75 box?
how manny time's do i have to tell you this ? the focus rs is a mtx!! it is the same as any focus mtx .but not the same as the old stity mtx from a rs2k and only one bolt hole on the top mount different from the mondeo mtx.
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Originally Posted by crazycage
how manny time's do i have to tell you this ? the focus rs is a mtx!! it is the same as any focus mtx .but not the same as the old stity mtx from a rs2k and only one bolt hole on the top mount different from the mondeo mtx.
You havent told me otherwise i wouldnt ask!
But thanks for the info!
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Originally Posted by mattseries2
You havent told me otherwise i wouldnt ask!
But thanks for the info!
really ?
have look here lol

https://passionford.com/forum/ford-e...o-gearbox.html
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I do apologise! Forgot about that thread! Thanks for all the info though, im just trying to get my head round what to go for and what i need to get for it lol!
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Originally Posted by mattseries2
I do apologise! Forgot about that thread! Thanks for all the info though, im just trying to get my head round what to go for and what i need to get for it lol!
box from a focus (you can pick up the rs when you find one)

gear stick and cables from a focus (but must be from one that has a mtx fitted)

clutch and flywheel (any 2.0l zetec flywheel and a focus rs clutch)

custom top mount for box (i can sort this if you want)

focus rear gearbox mount

and a set of shafts

then you just need to sort the hydraulic clutch ( i do a kit that bolts in)
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Originally Posted by crazycage
box from a focus (you can pick up the rs when you find one)

gear stick and cables from a focus (but must be from one that has a mtx fitted)

clutch and flywheel (any 2.0l zetec flywheel and a focus rs clutch)

custom top mount for box (i can sort this if you want)

focus rear gearbox mount

and a set of shafts

then you just need to sort the hydraulic clutch ( i do a kit that bolts in)

Thanks mate thats very helpful!
I may need the mount and hydraulic clutch kit off you. Pm me prices
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well for 1500 you can drop the car off and in 2 weeks pick it back up again all done and fitted including the focus rs clutch (with normal mtx box unless customer has the frs box then the cost of our box is taken away) only thing that would need doing is the new mounts colour coding as we leave then seem sealed and primed for customer to have that sorted at a later time

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Originally Posted by crazycage
i cut a small part of the bell housing off the bc box and welded it into the getrag casing for the starter motor.
Do you think it would be possible to weld the entire bolt pattern edge and starter bulge of a BC to a Getrag?

Sorry to the OP for going off topic.
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Originally Posted by Bomber
Do you think it would be possible to weld the entire bolt pattern edge and starter bulge of a BC to a Getrag?

Sorry to the OP for going off topic.
theres no need the bolt patern is the same ,but im not sure if you could or couldnt do it.
you could get a addaptor plate made from ally easy tho.
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Originally Posted by crazycage
i cut a small part of the bell housing off the bc box and welded it into the getrag casing for the starter motor.
was this hard to do as thinking of putting a 6 speeder on my cvh
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Originally Posted by crazycage
theres no need the bolt patern is the same ,but im not sure if you could or couldnt do it.
you could get a addaptor plate made from ally easy tho.
Didn't think it was 100% the same along the bottom - I need the exact same configuration to enable me to use my Mk1 XR2 gearbox bearer.

I'll look further into it.
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Originally Posted by Bomber
Didn't think it was 100% the same along the bottom - I need the exact same configuration to enable me to use my Mk1 XR2 gearbox bearer.

I'll look further into it.
your right its not the same along the bottom.
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