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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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hi everyone,fitted adjustable tca's this morning,went to get camber set at a garage to find one of them would give 2 1/2 dergees negative camber as minimum!!well 2 1/2hrs later after trimming bits off it got set,so my £45 4 wheel aglinment then cost £108.68,well pissed off, if i new they were shite wouldnt have bought them,also could of trimmed them this morning before fitting,will phone company tomorrow a complain,but is this normal?surely a monkey can weld a bit in the right place!col93saphcos
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 08:54 PM
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no overly good tbh!

what camber are you running now? i ran 2 degs
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did you measure the centre's before fitting?

the welding isn't exactly the same beacuse they are cut and chut as individual items, not matched pairs, which could explain the inconsitacies
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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no overly good tbh!

what camber are you running now? i ran 2 degs
wanted 1 1/2 neg camber ended up with 1degree 40seconds on both that was the other one in as far as it would go to get that,col93saphcos
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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did you measure the centre's before fitting?

the welding isn't exactly the same beacuse they are cut and chut as individual items, not matched pairs, which could explain the inconsitacies
didnt think i had to check anything as fitted them and drove to get set up,kind of assumed company that made them knew what they were doing,mmm maybe not!col93saphcos
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 09:25 PM
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I have the same problem mate, only one of mine went to 2 deg 30 and the other was on the stops at 3 deg neg. I wanted 2 deg but had to set both to 3 deg.

On track at combe so will see how they feel.

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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by col93saphcos
wanted 1 1/2 neg camber ended up with 1degree 40seconds on both that was the other one in as far as it would go to get that,col93saphcos
The difference is 10 minutes of adjustment between what you have and what your ideal setting was.

Just a quick question... did you set both arms up correctly and evenly before installing them? If either are not set the same initially, there will be a difference in total adjustment level.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by col93saphcos
hi everyone,fitted adjustable tca's this morning,went to get camber set at a garage to find one of them would give 2 1/2 dergees negative camber as minimum!!well 2 1/2hrs later after trimming bits off it got set,so my £45 4 wheel aglinment then cost £108.68,well pissed off, if i new they were shite wouldnt have bought them,also could of trimmed them this morning before fitting,will phone company tomorrow a complain,but is this normal?surely a monkey can weld a bit in the right place!col93saphcos

I had some off Brom and they were set at 1 degree 30 minutes both sides no problem. He used to do a more expensive sort that had replaceable balljoints ( off a Fiesta I think? ) but I had the cheap ones.
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Originally Posted by iansoutham
The difference is 10 minutes of adjustment between what you have and what your ideal setting was.

Just a quick question... did you set both arms up correctly and evenly before installing them? If either are not set the same initially, there will be a difference in total adjustment level.
i think he's on about the lack of adjustability in the planes he wants, as in it won't actually get to those measurements before the adjustment runs out/is unsafe
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by iansoutham
The difference is 10 minutes of adjustment between what you have and what your ideal setting was.

Just a quick question... did you set both arms up correctly and evenly before installing them? If either are not set the same initially, there will be a difference in total adjustment level.
yes,happy with what its set at,yes both were set up evenly when i put them in,problem seemed to be that the threaded bits were bottoming out against each other not letting it go shorter,garage said they have had to do this before,col93saphcos
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Is the car lowered ?
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Originally Posted by col93saphcos
yes,happy with what its set at,yes both were set up evenly when i put them in,problem seemed to be that the threaded bits were bottoming out against each other not letting it go shorter,garage said they have had to do this before,col93saphcos

if it's bottoming out and it's only such a small ammount, could you not just remove them, grind a tiny bit of metal off and then get them set up again correctly?
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Originally Posted by dojj
i think he's on about the lack of adjustability in the planes he wants, as in it won't actually get to those measurements before the adjustment runs out/is unsafe
thats right,the shortest one would go im sure was not far from 3degrees negative camber,the other as said 1degree 40,shudder to think how much more negative camber could of been possible.

but i would of thought they would be made so the shortest setting was about the same length or nearer the lenght of a standard one,surely cant be that difficult to make a jig and do them right,mean both were different,col93saphcos
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
if it's bottoming out and it's only such a small ammount, could you not just remove them, grind a tiny bit of metal off and then get them set up again correctly?
thats what took so long he had to keep taking it to bits to cut more off,3 times i think before he got it,was good that the garage did do it,only went in to get it set up and ended up being on there ramps most of afternoon,mind you i was charged for it,lol,he was into his fords luckily enough,col93saphcos
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 10:15 PM
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Is the car lowered ?
no,its on ggr spec springs of standard ride height,col93saphcos
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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Our jig is set at when fully wound in they offer OE length.

They are designed to offer negative camber adjustments, but im getting feedback of late of people needing positive putting back on.

Sometimes this can be down to the vehicle being lowered (so they already have a negative setting) and no extra positive can be introduced to pull it back.

In that case a shorter adjuster is required which we can do quite easily and if thats the way the market is going I will get it looked at.

For interest were where yours from ?
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 10:58 PM
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For interest were where yours from ?
from you,lol,col93saphcos
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 01:43 AM
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I know from reading this thread that some folks have had trouble with TCA's off Tony,but as Tony said,most adj TCA's are fitted to give negative camber,so thats the way their made from the factory!!But its great to see that Tony is taking all views on board,so all the customers will be happy.Just want to say that Tony is one of the good guys,and will go out of his way to help anyone out.

In my opinion Compbrake and MEF offer a fantastic service!!! Micky
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I would have put quite a bit of money on the fact they came from COMP BRAKE , lol

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[QUOTE=Micky;4214392]I know from reading this thread that some folks have had trouble with TCA's off Tony,but as Tony said,most adj TCA's are fitted to give negative camber,so thats the way their made from the factory!!But its great to see that Tony is taking all views on board,so all the customers will be happy.Just want to say that Tony is one of the good guys,and will go out of his way to help anyone out.

In my opinion Compbrake and MEF offer a fantastic service!!! Micky[/QUOTE

they were bought to give negative camber i know that!!
never realised they only went from 3 degree negative to more negative,so is every one using them running really aggressive camber??probably not.plus tony has already said there standard size at their shortest.
if they were correct and more expensive it would actually work out cheaper!lol
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Originally Posted by Micky
I know from reading this thread that some folks have had trouble with TCA's off Tony,but as Tony said,most adj TCA's are fitted to give negative camber,so thats the way their made from the factory!!But its great to see that Tony is taking all views on board,so all the customers will be happy.Just want to say that Tony is one of the good guys,and will go out of his way to help anyone out.

In my opinion Compbrake and MEF offer a fantastic service!!! Micky
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he's even gone as far as saying that if more peole want more adjustment he'll look into getting it done, which is more that what you might expect from some places
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Mine were perfect from Tony, he is so helpful that im sure a quick phonecall would have had it sorted!
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Ok at 1am this morning I was on the case to sort out what was happening as I had had about 3 people mention this to me over the last month.

The problem has been traced and rectified as of 10am this morning.

Due to a change in supplier the radius of the track control arm's ball joint end is now bigger and this was not accounted for in the jig, so the arms were getting cut off 10mm to long

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Col and it has now been corrected.

If anyone who has had them recently and is struggling to get them to fit CompBrake will post out free of charge parts to make them correct or they can be returned for a replacement.

Drop me a PM with invoice details and I will ensure this gets sorted.

I have also asked them to change the jig so they do offer positive adjustments (for people with lowered cars who need to pull the arm in from standard) so again from the next batch all arms will offer 10mm minimum positive adjustment as well as the full negative adjustment.

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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Ok at 1am this morning I was on the case to sort out what was happening as I had had about 3 people mention this to me over the last month.

The problem has been traced and rectified as of 10am this morning.

Due to a change in supplier the radius of the track control arm's ball joint end is now bigger and this was not accounted for in the jig, so the arms were getting cut off 10mm to long

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Col and it has now been corrected.

If anyone who has had them recently and is struggling to get them to fit CompBrake will post out free of charge parts to make them correct or they can be returned for a replacement.

Drop me a PM with invoice details and I will ensure this gets sorted.

I have also asked them to change the jig so they do offer positive adjustments (for people with lowered cars who need to pull the arm in from standard) so again from the next batch all arms will offer 10mm minimum positive adjustment as well as the full negative adjustment.

Tony

That is a sign of a conscientious supplier in my opinion. Good work Tony!
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Originally Posted by col93saphcos
from you,lol,col93saphcos
apoligies to tony,they were bought direct from compbrake website,which i assumed was tony's,did mean to buy them from tony,so sorry

both tony and compbrake have been very conciensous and helpful in getting it sorted out,thanks for explanation tony.

just i was 2hrs from home at a garage to get it set,so didnt have their phone number to phone them,so at that point was kind of needed garage to do what they needed to do,also didnt know if this was normal,is set now so should be fine,happy with the product just didnt expect the extra hassle and cost,col93saphcos
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Col gives a phone mate.how does the car feel now you have the beam set up

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mine were exactly the same had to get them machined them down at my expense, glad to hear you have sorted it now
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So what is going to happen about my totaly shit Bias pedal box then Tony ????

I contacted Steve as you asked , he then gave me the contact number for the fella who makes them for Comp Brake , and still after 5 messages left to him i have yet to recieve a call back to explain why my pedal box hits the steering column

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I'll come up and take a look Paul if you tell me when your there this week

Neil only modified what you sent in, so if we can take a look at it in your shell and then to double check it on another shell or car if you have one, I can get to the bottom of it.

I take it the doors open ok on this one

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So what would be the correct length to get full adjustment? I measured my tca's now and they are 5-6mm different in length also.
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That depends on your ride height RaZoR.
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Would mine have come from this batch tony ?
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