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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 06:35 PM
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Just thinking about old school cars....

There are a few that stand out as classics...

I am really struggling to think of any new cars that will be come classics....

Maybe things like the GTR's and EVO's

But what else ?
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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Mondeo ST220?

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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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can't see it....

maybe u should stick to putting things in ya ass lol
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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the st220 may, but i think it will be in the same zone as a xr4x4
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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ST200 ?
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good spec german stuff.......rs4's.....330 bms......etc.......
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:04 PM
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The Audi RS4 2.7 bi turbo, limited numbers and outstanding performance willmake this a classic in ten years.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:08 PM
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the only ford i can think of is a FRS else nothing
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:44 PM
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Agreed, the Focus RS and the ST mondeo possibly.

The ST mondeo is the Granada GLX of yesteryear.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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Mondeos are too mass produced to be real classics IMO.

same as Jap cars, although the limited editions may become classics ( 22B scooby etc...but obviously not a saloon lol)

IMO it will literally only be the very limited editions of the modern saloon that'll become sought after and 'classic'.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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From the BMW range anything with an "M" badge
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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Audi S4, the odd Evo, any Alfa and M5/M3 maybe....
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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E36 M3 saloon.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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nothing recently new will become a future classic
classic cars are old and big and brash and mega immense in the way they make you feel

all modern cars are too techincal
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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dingy
can't see it....

maybe u should stick to putting things in ya ass lol
Considering how little where made, I can.

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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:08 AM
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as with all cars the ones that end up being classic old school cars are the ones that get written off the most and broken for parts. obviously rust was a key factor in the 70's an 80's cars becoming classics as its the ones that people keep alive that are around today.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:43 AM
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bmw m5 e39 will be
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:48 AM
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VXR8 providing they dont sell too many of them
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by balraj
bmw m5 e39 will be
Deffo.

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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 01:09 AM
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can see the B5 RS4 being one, saddly cant se the S4 being one tho
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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None of them.
Nothing will ever rival the driving/owning experience of a proper classic motor. Its all about roughing it, rebuilding engines in your living room and tinkering with spanners.

In 50 years time any 'current' car will still be a computerised mess of fine precision technology that will still be out of the reach of most home tinkerers.

Having stripped A series engines, washed mini slave cylinders in the sink and ground lugs off carbs to make em fit manifolds they shouldn't I can't see anything like that being possible with a Mondeo/Scooby/Evo etc.. in the future.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by balraj
bmw m5 e39 will be

Disagree....too many made and prices are already ridiculously low for what you get.

Awesome cars, just not a classic.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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i think the GTR 32 will be an icon in afew yrs time
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 09:35 AM
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Future classics IMO (although not all are saloons, so sorry Dingle ):

First M-Coupe "Bread van"
E46 CSL (no other M3s, as they built too many).
All the previous M5s to the current V10 version.

Evo 6 RS

R32 Skyline GTR V-spec

Focus RS (again - limited numbers)
Puma Racing (again - limited numbers)

Some cars that are already attaining classic (i.e. cost shit loads) status:
993 Turbo
993 RS
964 RS
Mint E30 M3s
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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What about TME Evo's?
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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Lotus Carlton is a big saloon that is already achieving a classic status but i don't suppose its what you call modern as the newest are 15yrs old.

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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
i think the GTR 32 will be an icon in afew yrs time
dissagree with this one too

in a few years time it will be worth as much as a jam sandwich
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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What about the Vauxhal VX220's and Lotus Elise's?

Sorry, I know they arnt saloons but deffo future classics

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vx220 without a doubt elise.... nooooooooooo
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Originally Posted by dojj
nothing recently new will become a future classic
classic cars are old and big and brash and mega immense in the way they make you feel

all modern cars are too techincal
In 40-50 years time, when cars are powered by refuse (I've seen Back to the Future, so I know what happens) we will look back on these 'technical' cars and laugh at how simplistic they were. We'll look back at cars from now (which are in essence no different to cars from the 1960s) and be amused at how we thought it was all state of the art.

Classics are always relative to what is around at the time, so choosing what will be a future classic kinda depends on what happens in the future!
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by lardypants
dissagree with this one too

in a few years time it will be worth as much as a jam sandwich
why? got more race history than RS500s etc, and original GTRs are worth a LOT more than the RS Escorts etc of the same age...

v-spec wont make fuck all difference tho.
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Originally Posted by Stavros
why? got more race history than RS500s etc, and original GTRs are worth a LOT more than the RS Escorts etc of the same age...

v-spec wont make fuck all difference tho.
Funny, as R32 V-spec models already command a hefty premium over their non-V-spec brothers due to their rarity and that's NOW .
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I can not help but wonder what effect fuel prices will have on 'affordable performance' and affordable classics.

when the generation come along which is used to duel fuel, and reclaimed energy systems. I expect the desire to own a shonky old ricer such as a Skyline with poor fuel consumption may be less desirable than it is to us today, specially if fuel costs keep rising
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Future classics IMO (although not all are saloons, so sorry Dingle ):


E46 CSL (no other M3s, as they built too many).

Agree there - only 400 made in RHD and just under 300 of those in Silver Grey.

Total build was about 1100.

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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbocabbie
I can not help but wonder what effect fuel prices will have on 'affordable performance' and affordable classics.

when the generation come along which is used to duel fuel, and reclaimed energy systems. I expect the desire to own a shonky old ricer such as a Skyline with poor fuel consumption may be less desirable than it is to us today, specially if fuel costs keep rising

thought about this today, and to be honest the way fuel costs are rising and lets face it will never go down, supply of petrol will eventually get less and less. the only future classics will be the ones that the very rich will be able to run. the motor industry will then depend on the bio/dual fuel cars of tommorrow. so in essence if everyone kept the car they own now they will all be future classics but only to the people that could afford to run them, if the desire was there to own one
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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Don't think any Hondas will make classics if any it will be the R's

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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Funny, as R32 V-spec models already command a hefty premium over their non-V-spec brothers due to their rarity and that's NOW .
do they fuck nothing major

only ones that do to any real amount is PROPER rare models, like genuine Nismo homologation ones
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 02:26 PM
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
In 40-50 years time, when cars are powered by refuse (I've seen Back to the Future, so I know what happens) we will look back on these 'technical' cars and laugh at how simplistic they were. We'll look back at cars from now (which are in essence no different to cars from the 1960s) and be amused at how we thought it was all state of the art.

Classics are always relative to what is around at the time, so choosing what will be a future classic kinda depends on what happens in the future!
i agree with you dan. those who say that cars are computerised and nothing can be done with them simply don't understand them and/or have the right tools. OBD scanners are cheap as chips these days, and are often a much cheaper and easier way of diagnosing faults than swapping out parts which is how many people view current classic cars.

classic cars came about imo because some were built to last with a high level of craftsmanship, and that doesn't happen much today. you still have the modern classics like mk1 escort or whatever, but they are only deemed classics as people have fond memories of them from their youth, rather than them being really good cars.

it will certainly be interesting to see how things go, but i can't see many modern cars being held in high esteem in the future, and even if they are they will be prohibitively expensive to run
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Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
What about TME Evo's?
I hope so!!!
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